Bill,

As I type quickly it is easier for me to quote than to think. The very
valuable (yet cheap) book I picked up at a Somerset Harp festival booth has
its opinions on the topic. (It is a makers gem for those interested in
African and Asian primitive instruments, but also is far more comprehensive
than anything else I've seen - it is a bit weak on the harps that I know
well, but does separate "folk lutes", rennaissance lutes, and Citterns. The
Arch lute and theorbo are in the lute group of pages. I'll neither support
nor negate their choice of grouping, but on the whole in areas that I know
better they are good.

The lead in under "Historic Guitars" says: "The guitar is a plucked string
instrument with a flat back and characteristic waisted outline. Probably
introduced to Spain by the Arabs, it was established throuout Europe by the
late 14th C. During the 17th C., the guitar rose to prominence as an
instrument much easier to play than the then fashionable lute. Its appeal
has never waned and it remains a favorite portable accompanying instrument".
(and most of us would disagree that it is an "accompanying instrument", the
classical guitar and the Spanish guitar are leading instruments).

Now to Vihuela, as listed under "Historic Guitars": "Vihuela - and important
plucked instrument of the Renaissance. The body of the vihuela was
guitar-shaped but its strings were tuned like those of a lute. It was
confined almost exclusively to Spain, where it was generally associated with
the aristocracy".

I place no great credance in the above descriptions, they come from an
encyclopedia and they are often wrong. But I will say that this encyclopedia
of Musical Instruments seems to be quite good. Just as the taxonomy of
living beings can never be perfect, so the categorization of instruments
must always be debatable. There are always hybrids, and how does one
categorize the original stringed instrument (assuming that it was a bow). Is
it a harp, a lyre or a lute? (and we can distinguish them at some point -
the harp being multiple unstopped strings pulling away from the soundboard,
the lyre being the same but pulling across the soundboard over a bridge -
and the lute being the same as the lyre, but with a fingerboard to enable
the stopping of the strings. (I speak of broad categories, not specific
instruments). Back to the good old bow that the hunter strummed. Was the
original jam session a bunch of hunters with bows of differing tensions?
Just jamming together. Or a hunter that stopped his bow string to make
different sounds, or one who used it like a "gut bucket" and bent the bow to
change the tension. Each scenario could lead to a different family of
instruments when the "artists" took over and found a sinecure to entertain
after the hunt and its dangers (and a way to avoid them). Add a sounding
board of some sort to enhance the volume and the bow becomes a dedicated
musical instrument.

Sorry to sound off, but you all know I have the tendency. Is the vihuela a
form of guitar or a form of the lute. I don't know and don't care. Both are
of the lute (oud) family. The other two stringed familys are the zither and
the harp. The psaltery falls in with the zither, even though it is played
like a harp (and is a couple of millenia older). I can't think of anything
other than a harp that falls together with it, the multiple strings for each
note and the direct pull on the sound board, but I'm sure there is. (The
piano would fall in with the zither, strings parallel with the sounding
box - and the violin family are all lutes).

Best, Jon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bill kilpatrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 3:50 AM
Subject: vihuela as guitar


> a little late in the discussion but:
>
> - wouldn't a definition of vihuela and guitar be
> useful?
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> - is definition possible?
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> - weren't the terms synonymus as used in the 16th
> cent.?
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> what i understand so far is:
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> -  5c. means vihuela and 6c. guitar.
>
> - the placement of sound hole, bout configuration and
> proportion doesn't seem to matter much in making the
> distinction.
>
> please correct me if i wrong.
>
> cheers - bill
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