>> as regard to the chanson composition, it seems (sorry, no references here at work!) that Josquin heard the song at the Ferrara court around 1501-02 (4-5 years the Ockeghem's death) and that is now attributed to Malcort (or Martini); moreover, Ockeghem never wrote a Malheur me bat mass. It seems obvious that Petrucci misattributed to Ockeghem the song. <<
Dear Paolo I do have some references here: the introductions to the facsimile editions I used. They indeed say Petrucci attributed the chanson to Ockeghem. As the Odhecaton was an important source for other MSS and editions this attribution is often copied. Modern scolars seem to be convinced, however, the chanson was written by Malcort, perhaps Albertinus Malcourt, singer at St Gudula Church in Brussels from 1474 till his death in 1519. So you are right and I will amend my article. Yours David > > Best wishes > > Paolo > > > > > > >> Dear Paolo >> >> Ockeghem wrote a three part chanson called Malheur me bat, that is indeed >> also ascribed to Martini and Malcort (Brown believes it's either of these >> last two). As I understand it, the question of the conflicting >> attribution >> is not yet solved. The chanson melody formed the basis of masses by >> Agricola, >> Josquin, Obrecht and others. The text of Malheur me bat has not (yet) >> been >> found. I hope this answers your question. >> >> yours >> >> David >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "lgs.europe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: "lute" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 4:52 PM >> Subject: Re:Malheur me bat >> >> >> > Ockeghem? I knew the song was by Martini or Malcort, and to the best of >> > my >> > knowledge, Ockeghem never wrote a Missa Malheur, whereas Obrecht and >> > Josquin did it >> > >> > From Goldberg "Malheur me bat is the song by Malcort or Martini (a >> > matter >> > of dispute) on which Obrecht based a mass already recorded by Bali. The >> > other Mass is based on an anonymous Flemish tune that was also used >> > frequently. The two Masses are more similar than contrasting, although >> > in >> > Fabrice Fitch's words the Agnus Dei of the latter Mass is more >> > "bizarre." >> > This choir of men's voices has a distinctive sound, more angular than >> > the >> > homogeneous tone of Renaissance vocal ensembles further west. I hope to >> > hear more obscure Masses from this group. jerome f. weberJEROME F. >> > WEBER" >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > Paolo Declich >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> I have made a detailed comparisson of Johannes Ockeghem's Malor me bat >> >> from >> >> Ottaviano Petrucci's Harmonice Musices Odhecaton A (1501) and >> >> Francesco >> >> Spinacino's intabulation in his Libro Secondo (1507). I found it >> >> interesting to do, you might find it interesting to read. I wrote it >> >> for >> >> Nostalgia, the newsletter of the Lute & Early Guitar Society Japan, >> >> but >> >> it's >> >> also on my website (see below). >> >> >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> >> ***************************************** >> >> David van Ooijen >> >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/david/ >> >> ***************************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > 6X velocizzare la tua navigazione a 56k? 6X Web Accelerator di Libero! >> > Scaricalo su INTERNET GRATIS 6X http://www.libero.it >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Libero Flat, sempre a 4 Mega a 19,95 euro al mese! > Abbonati subito su http://www.libero.it > > > > > >
