When Paul O'Dette writes the notes, there is no shame in using those, is there? Alain
Matanya Ophee wrote: >Arthur Ness >Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:34:27 -0700 > > > >>That information is also given in the notes >>to Paul's CD. >> >> > >Glad to know that you obtain your musicological information from CD >liner notes. I suspected as much, but now you confirmed it. Thank you. > > > >>We know the Codice Lauten-Buch is not lost or destroyed >>because the current owner hired an Italian >>lutenist to give a private recital in his home. He >>played directly from the original manuscript, which is so >>famous it would be easy to spot. >> >> > >Who are the "we" in this statement? the Royal Ness We? What you seem >to know, and to repeat here shamelessly, is nothing more than >unsubstantiated hearsay. You do not not know who the putative current >owner is, you do not know who was this alleged Italian lutenist, you >do not know when and where this supposed concert took place, and you >cannot even cite one single living lutenist who would swear to have >been present when this event took place. > > > >>Matanya Ophee persists in perpetuating the >>story on this list and in his reprint that Tuffolo >>(Chilesotti's grand nephew) and >>Bussandri (his grandson) have declared that the original >>has not survived. I doubt they ever made such a claim. >> >> > >Not only they, but also your friend Dinko Fabris. And your doubts >about my statements, as much as you are entitled to them, can be >easily refuted. For example, you once expressed the doubt that the >entire repository of Francesco microfilms, first collected by John >Ward and the one you used to make up your Francesco book 35 years >ago, was given to me by John and is now in my possession. You doubt >that is true? then come on over to my house and take a look. Too far? >you can ask somebody who lives closer to come and check. There are a >few members of this list who live practically around the corner and >would be happy to verify this for you. > >The statements made in my edition where written by Toffolo himself, >and approved for publication by Bussandri. If you doubt this is true, >why don't you ask them? > > > >>How would they know the fate of a rare and valuable book >>that was sold nearly a century ago, before either >>wasborn, and has been in >>private hands ever since? >> >> > >Good question. Perhaps you could now tell us how do _you_ know that, >since you too was not even born then? > > > >> And I doubt either has any >>particular interest in lute music, or moves in the >>Italian lute community. >> >> > >And the relevance of this is what? Toffolo is the author of the >latest and most complete biography of Oscar Chilesotti, and also the >author of the preface to my edition of the Codex. Heis also a >prolific writer on many relevant subjects and his articles are >currently published in il Fronimo. Bussandri is the owner of the >Chilesotti museum. So whether they are directly involved in Italian >lute circles, the fact remains that they are directly involved in all >affairs concerning Oscar Chileostti. Of course, you do not doubt that >Dinko Fabris has any >particular interest in lute music, or moves in the Italian lute >community. Or do you? > > > >>It is a "Codice Lauten-Buch." By leaving out the >>largest word on the title page, Lauten-Buch, Ophee is >>suppressing the information that the book is >>German (actually Bavarian, where Italian tablature was >>in use). >> >> > >The reasons for eliminating this superfluous marketing ploy by the >Breitkopf & Haertel publishing company from the title was carefully >explained in my edition. The text of the title page is not serial, >but parallel. > > > >>Unfortunately the reviewer in the current issue of >>_The_Lute_ was taken in by this, and mistakenly writes >>that it is a lost Italian manuscript.<sigh> >> >> > >Some people in this lute world are not easily taken in by your silly >delusions and require more than just your word for anything. As long >as all you can provide is unsubstantiated hearsay and rumors, >responsible writers will ignore you. > > > >>In any event, until a facsimile appears, Dick Hoban's >>tablature edition for Lyre Press will serve most >>lutenists. >> >> > >Certainly will. And as for the likelihood of another Forni facsimile >appearing: I doubt that very much. Not today. I actually considered >doing a facsimile, since I own a pristine copy of the original 1890 >edition. But the costs of printing such a book today are such that >publishing it today is only possible if the price to the end-user >would be someplace around and beyond the space station. Not going to >happen. I am not a suicidal publisher, and neither is Forni. And if >you doubt what I say, try and obtain an estimate from a printer. Many >commercial printers in the US enable you to obtain estimates on line. >Just give them the dimensions of the book, number of pages, type of >binding and number of copies you want to print. And it is not going >to serve lutenists any better than my book. > > > > >>It also has updated information (missing in Ophee's >>book, although he owns Dick's edition) giving the >>correct titles and composer attributions for many of the >>anonymous pieces. >> >> > >My book gives a precise citation of the Hoban book. If I reproduced >any of the information contained in there, you would have accused me >of plagiarism. Right? > > >Matanya Ophee >Editions Orphe'e, Inc., >1240 Clubview Blvd. N. >Columbus, OH 43235-1226 >Phone: 614-846-9517 >Fax: 614-846-9794 >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.orphee.com >http://www.livejournal.com/users/matanya/ > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > >
