Joachim,
I find this to be very interesting, but it calls
to mind a question: what exactly _is_ the difference
between a lute and a "guitar" made in the shape of a
lute? I.E. is a lute defined by its shape, double
strings, interior construction, tuning, or something
else.? We have no problem accepting a single-strung
theorbo or the guitar-like tuning of the gallichon as
members of the lute family. Where's the dividing
line?
Chris
--- "Joachim Lüdtke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Martyn,
>
> it may be indeed that there is a direct link between
> the Mandora and the early six-string lute guitar but
> to me it seems difficult to find hard evidence. Lute
> instruments were made into lute guitars quite some
> time before 1828 if we may believe Jacob August Otto
> who testifies to this in a book published in 1828
> (he writes about newly built lute guitars, too).
> There are some extant lutes made into six string
> instruments but these seem all to be of a later date
> (one or two possible exceptions - but these show
> suspicous features ...). However, I think there was
> a time (roughly around 1800) when lutes and guitars
> began to -- say -- "exchange ideas" [;)] ...
>
> Joachim
>
> "Martyn Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> schrieb:
> >
> >I presume you're both aware of Molitor's report in
> the early 1800s that he met a Mandora player
> (precursor of the German 'lute guitar'?) who told
> him he had changed to single strings like the
> contemporary guitar since it was easier............
> >
> >Martyh Hodgson
> >
> >Kenneth Sparr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Dear Joachim,
> >
> >I'm sure there a lot of things concerning the
> history of the lute and the
> >guitar in the early 20th century that are still
> uncovered. Your article
> >indeed was a substantial contribution to our
> knowledge and I thank you for
> >that. As Scholander made such a great success in
> Germany I find difficult to
> >believe that he didn't exercise a considerable
> influence even if he didn't
> >had contact with the Scherrer-circle (or the other
> way round?).
> >
> >Concerning the single-string lute question the
> Swedish lute (or Sittra as it
> >was also called) already got its single strings as
> early as the end of the
> >18th century, but it developed from the cittern.
> Certainly there is more
> >research needed also concerning the development of
> the Swedish lute.
> >
> >I searched Bacher's Lautenfibel for many years and
> finally found it via
> >ZVAB, the excellent German search engine for
> antiquarian books. It may have
> >some Internet when we describe the "renaissance" of
> lute playing from
> >tablature.
> >
> >Best wishes
> >
> >Kenneth Sparr
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> >Från: Joachim Lüdtke
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Skickat: den 9 oktober 2005 20:07
> >Till: Kenneth Sparr; lute-list (Renaissance)
> >Ämne: Re: [LUTE] The German lute movement and the
> guitar-lute
> >
> >Dear Kenneth,
> >
> >thank you for your mail - I didn't know that my
> article would be of interest
> >to anyone outside Germany although I know that the
> guitar lute and its
> >relatives were not confined to the German spoken
> countries.
> >
> >I have not mentioned Scholander because I am unsure
> about the extent to
> >which he influenced the singers of "lute songs" and
> the lute players in the
> >Germany of his time and because he seems to have
> had no contact to the
> >Scherrer-circle. In changing the Swedish lute into
> a single string
> >instrument he may be seen as following a process
> which started in the early
> >nineteenth century.
> >
> >Where did you find Bacher`s Fibel? Thank you for
> drawing our attention to
> >it. I will try to find a copy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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