Hi all, BTW, I made a happy discovery the other day: the Beinecke library, Yale, has made available a complete digital copy of the Braye lute book, as well as a few pages from another commonplace book containing lute pieces. Alain
Stewart McCoy wrote: >Dear David, > >Yes, I am out here, but I have been unable to follow messages on the >list for a while, because I have been very busy. I clicked on your >message, because I spotted the word Paston. > >The three Paston lute manuscripts in the British Library have their >contents listed in the relevant British Library catalogues. I have >my own lists somewhere at home. The Tenbury copy is now in the >Bodleian Library in Oxford. There is a published catalogue of the >Tenbury manuscripts, listing the contents. I have a pretty ancient >photocopy of an old type-written catalogue of the pieces in the book >at the Royal College, which, as far as I know, is not published. > >Yes, there are intabulations of music by Victoria. All I would ask >is, why do you want to see the Paston intabulations? There are some >interesting aspects to the Paston books, but the pieces are (for the >most part) just literal intabulations with the highest voice >missing, presumably to be sung. If you want to perform a piece by >Victoria, or anyone else for that matter, you might as well make >your own intabulation from the score. > >The disadvantage of using Paston's intabulations is that you end up >with quite a dense texture, often unnecessarily awkward to play. >There are not many mistakes, but occasionally what Paston has >doesn't match the vocal score exactly, particularly with regard to >accidentals. Paston tends to be more modern, if that's the right way >of saying it, in that he adds an odd sharp or two here and there, to >notes which would not have been sharp when the piece was performed >years previously. He also irons out ancient cadences with a sixth, >and modernises them by adding in a leading note. > >All the lute tablature in the five extant books is in Italian lute >tablature, although we know from Paston's will that he had music in >French tablature too. All the French stuff is now lost. > >There is an important article on Paston by Philip Brett, and there >are a couple by me: one in _The Lute_, and the other in _Early >Music_. I'm afraid I don't have the exact details to hand, but I >could look them up, if you'd like me to. > >All the best, > >Stewart. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "LGS-Europe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Lute Net" <[email protected]> >Cc: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:45 AM >Subject: [LUTE] Paston Lute Books Content list? > > > > >>Dear Arthur, and others listening in that might help (Stewart, are >> >> >you out > > >>there?) >> >>I'll go the library later this week to see if they have the >> >> >microfilm. In > > >>the mean-time, is there a list of the content or something >> >> >similarly helpful > > >>of the Paston books? They seems like many pages to browse. >> >>David >> >> >>***************************************** >>David van Ooijen >>Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/ >>***************************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>David says that there are definitely pieces by Victoria in the >>> >>> >Paston Lute > > >>>Books. Paston is the subject of a number of papers at a Byrd >>> >>> >conference > > >>>at Duke University some time in the near future. Paston was a >>> >>> >recusant. > > >>>Here is the URL (see the abstracts): >>> >>>http://www.duke.edu/music/events/byrd.html >>> >>>ajn >>> On 28 Oct 2005 at 16:33, Arthur Ness wrote: >>> >>> > Dear David, >>> > >>> > These are three of the Edward Paston Lute Books. There are >>> >>> >five books > > >>> > (see end). That is where I thought you might find works by >>> >>> >Victoria. > > >>> > But I looked through my list and could not find him. Perhaps >>> >>> >he is > > >>> > there, but not identified. Paston must have had Spanish >>> >>> >connections. > > >>> > Some of the rubrics are in Spanish, and the book uses Italian >>> > tablature. >>> > >>> > Now for British music manuscripts, there is an important >>> >>> >series that > > >>> > has microfilms of almost everything. Many good libraries >>> >>> >will have > > >>> > the series, including (I would expect) the Gemeentemuseum. >>> >>> >The three > > >>> > you mention are also in the LSA Microfilm Library. Here is >>> >>> >the title > > >>> > of the series: >>> > >>> > For 24246-7: >>> > Music manuscripts from the great >>> >>> >English > > >>> > collections, Series IV, Part 2. >>> >>> >Polyphonic > > >>> > music before c.1640, Section B >>> >>> >(beginning). > > >>> > Brighton, Sussex : Harvester >>> >>> >Microform, > > >>> > 1983. Reels 20-29 + 1 guide (77 p.) >>> > >>> > >>> > For 31992: >>> > Music manuscripts from the great >>> >>> >English > > >>> > collections, Series IV, Part 2. >>> >>> >Polyphonic > > >>> > music before c.1640, Section B >>> >>> >(continued). > > >>> > Brighton, Sussex : Harvester >>> >>> >Microform, > > >>> > 1983. Reels 30-37 + 1 guide (77 p.) >>> > >>> > Thanks for searching HOLLIS Catalog >>> > (http://holliscatalog.harvard.edu/) >>> > >>> > >>> > These are the EDWARD PASTON LUTE BOOKS: >>> > London, British Library, Add. 29246, Add. 29247, Add. 31992 >>> > London, Royal College of Music, Ms 1964 >>> > Tenbury, St. Michael's, Ms. 340 >>> > >>> > Anne Burns: You may wish to update the LSA Catalogue with >>> >>> >the name of > > >>> > the manuscripts. >>> > >>> > ajn >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: LGS-Europe >>> > To: Lute net >>> > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 7:09 AM >>> > Subject: [LUTE] Victoria in BL Add 29246 / 29247 / 31992 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Does anybody have copies to share of these manuscripts? I'm >>> > interested in the pages with music by Victoria arranged for >>> >>> >voice > > >>> > and lute/vihuela. In the MSS only the lute/vihuela parts >>> >>> >are given. > > >>> > Juan Carlos Rivera used these manuscripts for his cd with >>> >>> >counter > > >>> > Carlos Mena (Harmonia Mundi). Great disc! >>> > >>> > David >>> >>> > > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
