A trick I learned from Grant Tomlinson forlarger fret sizes is to bend the 
section you that you will use to tie the knot back and forth a few times. This 
softens it up a bit and makes tying a knot much easier. It probably weakens the 
gut a bit, but there's more than enough strength left, and the softened section 
won't fall under any strings.

Guy
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  Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:03 PM
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: tying gut frets


  > Van: Stuart Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  > Anyone got any suggestions for a really easy way of tying knots?

  start with soft cotton line.

  The knot you mentioned (van edwards first) is a simple overhand knot in
  one end, the other end is passed thru it, all is cinched tight and the end
  swelled with heat to prevent it pulling back.

  This particular knot is troublesome in larger fretgut, say 0.8mm> (frets 1
  and two typically).  Fret one has its own issues, being the widest part of
  the neck, and the shortest distance of neck available to 'stretch' it.

  A pair of needle-nose plyers helps when pulling (round jaws best,
  half-round ok, prefer smooth to serated), you need an extra length of gut
  when using them; also, first grab the gut in the jaws, the wind the gut
  around the closed jaws, this not only keeps the jaws tight it also avoids
  sharp edges cutting the gut where you least need that (you will pull
  sideways).  Form the knot at a higher (narrower) place on the neck and
  work it tight, then use the taper of the neck as a wedge by slideing the
  fret towards the bridge to compress it just a little tighter.  Repeat. 
  Gradually the knot will get tighter, hopefully you will get it tight
  enough that it takes a degree of force to bring it to its proper position,
  where it just might stay.  Here is where you swell the end and trim it.

  good luck

  -- 
  Dana Emery




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