David, 

--- LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Lutes and guitars _are_ difficult instruments.
> Guitar pupil of mine of about 
> 12, doing well after three years of lessons,
> enjoying it and studying 
> regulary at home (!), performed his piece on this
> year's pupils' night. 

Congratulations!  Sounds like the kind of student you
wish all your other students could be more like.

> He 
> really did well, no obvious mistakes, played through
> the whole piece without 
> stopping, it was musical, he had some tone and
> volume. Afterward his mother 
> comes up to me: "Is that all?" 

Ouch!  Frustrating!  But, as you went on to say, there
are reasons for this attitude.

Nowadays, I don't deal so much with true beginners,
but I took over a guitar program at a college that had
lagged for years.  I set about recruiting new students
and did fairly well in raising enrollment, but many of
these kids, though enthusiastic, had not learned under
a systematic approach.

It was a real test of patience and humility at the
beginning.  For one thing, I was "the new guy" among
the faculty.  Then, on the string juries I'd have to
sit through a sophomore violin student's nice
rendition of a Mendelssohn or Bruch concerto movement
or a cello student's several movements of a Bach
suite, not to mention lightening-quick scales.
Meanwhile, some of my most advanced students might be
able to follow them with something like Lagrima or a
short Chilesotti piece which they had been striving to
master for the entire semester (or longer).  They
could just about struggle through a major scale doing
triplets at MM=60.  The bowed string players would
take up the whole 20 minute exam time, while my
students would be done in 5.  Happily, things have
improved dramatically since then and standards have
been raised, but I wonder what the other teachers
thought about guitar.

> She just started on
> piano and was 
> disappointed with her son's result, as she's already
> doing much better after 
> the few lessons she's had. No wonder, try playing
> the opening of Fuer Elise 
> without piano lessons, my bet is you'll do fine. Try
> to do the same on a 
> guitar, my bet is that it'll take several years to
> come anywhere near the 
> percieved perfection and easy of your first try on
> piano.

Frederick Noad talks about this same point in the
preface to his "Solo Guitar Playing, vol. II" book.  I
was so glad when I read it the first time.  I wish he
would have included it in volume one so that more
beginners would read it.  Very encouraging.


Chris - Once learned an entire two-minute Bach
invention on piano, but couldn't do it today if you
held a gun to my head.




> 
> Of course, piano music will be much more complicated
> for the advanced 
> student, so by that time it's a matter of different
> areas of difficulty. 
> And, obviously, the real test of mastering an
> instrument is being able to 
> express yourself musically on it, not to play the
> difficult pieces 
> technically well, but that's not the argument here.
> 
> David - cannot play beyond the opening phrase of
> Fuer Elise on piano
> 
> 
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