Thanks to the genius of that cave man here we are plucking away. Gary
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: lute is hard (was: mics arrived) > As I said, it's so easy, that even a cave man can do it.. > > ed > > At 05:48 AM 7/7/2007 -0700, you wrote: > >I find Terzi quite challenging. > > > >Gary > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <[email protected]> > >Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:14 PM > >Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute is hard (was: mics arrived) > > > > > > > It's all relative. > > > I just think that the demands made on a professional lute player, and > > > by that I mean someone who only plays concerts, > > > no teaching, no job, etc--just concerts-- are less than a person in > > > the same position on piano, organ, violin, cello, etc. > > > > > > For example, there are no lute pieces remotely comparable in > > > difficulty to the transcendental etudes. Not to mention extended > > > techniques, which are commonplace on the recorder. > > > > > > Personally, I find renaissance music just as difficult or more > > > difficult than baroque music, and here I am speaking about not only > > > the big pieces that are rarely if ever played, such as the Francecso > > > "Song of the Birds," but also the high level ornaments in renaissance > > > treatises that are routinely played by recorder and viol players--and > > > especially cornetto players--but rarely used on the lute. These > > > ornaments are I think comparable in difficulty to Weiss, though > > > vastly different in style. > > > Obviously the repertory is worlds apart, and in renaissance music the > > > challenge is what is *not* written, just as it is in basso continuo. > > > > > > Another point of comparison is that it would be unacceptable even at > > > the conservatory level to slow down the difficult bits, whereas this > > > is often the case in renaissance and baroque performance--even in > > > recordings. I also feel that lute music is meant to be more > > > accessible, and that in Weiss and in the professional level ornaments > > > of Ganassi, Bassano,etc, we see a degree of separation from that. > > > > > > I'm not saying that there are no lute pieces that are challenging, > > > I'm just saying in all honesty > > > I personally would have to work harder to have the equivalent > > > income and opportunities on the piano. Maybe it shouldn't be that > > > way...maybe I'm lucky it is. > > > > > > > > > dt > > > > > > > > > that's"At 05:26 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote: > > > >Especially late Weiss. A piece of cake. > > > > > > > >ed > > > > > > > >At 07:38 PM 7/6/2007 -0400, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > > > >Especially baroque. > > > > >RT > > > > > > > > > >From: "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I really don't think the lute is particularly difficult.... :) > > > > > > dt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 07:00 AM 7/6/2007, you wrote: > > > > > >>Lutes and guitars _are_ difficult instruments. Guitar pupil of mine > >of > > > > > >>about > > > > > >>12, doing well after three years of lessons, enjoying it and > >studying > > > > > >>regulary at home (!), performed his piece on this year's > > > > pupils' night. He > > > > > >>really did well, no obvious mistakes, played through the whole piece > > > > > >>without > > > > > >>stopping, it was musical, he had some tone and volume. Afterward his > > > > > >>mother > > > > > >>comes up to me: "Is that all?" She just started on piano and was > > > > > >>disappointed with her son's result, as she's already doing much > >better > > > > > >>after > > > > > >>the few lessons she's had. No wonder, try playing the opening of > >Fuer > > > > > >>Elise > > > > > >>without piano lessons, my bet is you'll do fine. Try to do the same > >on a > > > > > >>guitar, my bet is that it'll take several years to come anywhere > >near the > > > > > >>percieved perfection and easy of your first try on piano. A piano > >is, in > > > > > >>the > > > > > >>first stages, an on-off instrument, whereas on a guitar you'll find > >a > > > > > >>miriad > > > > > >>of near hits before the tone is even acceptable. A lute is even > >harder to > > > > > >>play with its double strings, lower string tension and akward shape. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Of course, piano music will be much more complicated for the > >advanced > > > > > >>student, so by that time it's a matter of different areas of > >difficulty. > > > > > >>And, obviously, the real test of mastering an instrument is being > >able to > > > > > >>express yourself musically on it, not to play the difficult pieces > > > > > >>technically well, but that's not the argument here. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>David - cannot play beyond the opening phrase of Fuer Elise on piano > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>**************************** > > > > > >>David van Ooijen > > > > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >>www.davidvanooijen.nl > > > > > >>**************************** > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>To get on or off this list see list information at > > > > > >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Need personalized email and website? 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