I'm a little perplexed by this discussion. Is the assertion being made that lutenists who played 10c lutes at the inception of these instruments only played music specifically written for 10c and ceased playing music that appeared before unless they also had a 6c, 7c or 8c instrument?
In the 10c repertoire a given piece of music will sometimes go several measures without anything happening in the bourdons. Would not these passages be subject to the same problems supposedly accompanying (accompaning?) the playing of 6c, 7c or 8c music on the 10c? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard? > --- David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > The Galliard is a later composition, and probably > > designed for the > > amateur market--it is a fine piece, just not that > > difficult. > > Amateur, really? Lightening-quick divisions over a > moving bass easy amateur material? > > > The combination of the faster notes with less chords > > was irrestible, > > presumably because they are easier to play yet sound > > more difficult. > > > > Hmmm... interesting perspective. Personally, I've > never found fast runs to be all that easy. > > > And if one were to play Mozart's Opus 2 followed by > > B's > > Hammerklavier, then you would need two pianos, or > > play the earlier > > piece on the later instrument. > > > > Of course, of course... we know that no musician > would attempt to play works written before the > invention of the specific instrument he or she is > currently playing. Just look at classical guitarists > - I can't name a single modern guitarist - > professional or amateur - who would ever even THINK of > playing music by Giuliani or Sor on something like a > modern nylon-strung CG. That's why the most popular > composers on classical guitar programs continue to be > Carter, Henze, Takemitsu and Krenek. Well, um, > wait... Er... nevermind... ;-) > > > Chris > > > > > > dt > > > > > > > > .At 06:51 AM 11/28/2007, you wrote: > > >Dear David, > > > > > > Your reasoning is historically "correct," but > > this > > >puts us in something of a quandry from a practical > > >performance view. Just take Dowland, for example. > > >His "Lachrimae" lute solo exists in a version for > > >six-course lute, (its 7-course in Board and Folger) > > >"Flow my teares" is for 7-courses, the lute used in > > >"Seven Sad Pavans" is 9-courses and the "Galliard > > to > > >Lachrimae" is also for 9. Now, if you want to pair > > >the Lachrimae Pavan with its Galliard on the same > > >concert program, what should you do? > > > > > > You're quite right that none of the above > > >mentioned pieces requires the 8-course lute, but, > > >according to your line of reasoning, would it be > > any > > >more acceptable to play the 6-or-7-course Pavan on > > a > > >9-course instrument? (What about playing a > > 9-course > > >piece on a 10-course? Out, too?) Certainly, the > > >tonal distinction between the 6 and 9 coursers > > would > > >be much greater than between the 7 and 8 courses > > that > > >you suggest is significant. Or would you suggest > > our > > >performer should play the pavan on a six-course > > lute, > > >put it down, fine-tune the 9-course and go? Would > > >Dowland? > > > > > > Clearly, the answer is that Dowland adapted > > the > > >music to the instrument at hand. There's no shame > > in > > >us doing the same. > > > > > > > > >Chris > > > > > >--- David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > It's important to play 6 & 7 course for the > > > > renaissance repertory. > > > > I understand the issues of resale value, etc, > > but I > > > > really think for > > > > most of the 16th century > > > > the three instruments, 6 course, 7 course _F and > > 7 > > > > course D give the > > > > most insights into the music. > > > > > > > > Also, if you are going to sell the lute it is > > best > > > > not to buy it :) > > > > > > > > As important as course, ideally one should have > > an > > > > instrument set up > > > > for intabs and one for ricercars, and the > > optimum > > > > setup really requires > > > > the right number of courses. > > > > It's possible that without the best setup, it > > might > > > > be harder to > > > > learn certain techniques, and that an eight > > course > > > > could become > > > > a bit of a tugboat. > > > > > > > > There's a big difference in the sound when the > > > > eighth course goes on, > > > > which is immediately attractive, but for me, > > > > ultimately, > > > > later sounding, rich rather than clear. > > > > > > > > Many instruments share these issues of > > practicality > > > > and range. When > > > > buying an Italian harpsichorp, people have to > > decide > > > > whether to buy > > > > an instrument with a very wide range, > > > > so they can play "everything", or an historical > > > > instrument. But there > > > > is a fundamental difference in the sound; sound > > vs > > > > practicality: no > > > > easy answers. > > > > > > > > dt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information > > at > > > > > > > >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________ > > >Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > > >Make Yahoo! your homepage. > > >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. 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