As said: I don't really see why I should go to the considerable trouble of 
listing the many scholarly papers and books which have dealt with this question 
in depth (Haynes is but one) since Ellis's pioneering work was published in 
1880.   Especially so when the point being made was simply that there was not 
just one 17th/18th C Roman pitch,  rather than trying to identify what these 
pitches actially were.  Perhaps you disagree? - in which case, since it is far 
easier to disprove a proposition than to test it by numerous examples, I await 
your reply proving that there was only ever one pitch used in Rome during this 
period (say, 1600 - 1750)..............
   
  MH

howard posner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Martyn Hodgson wrote:

> In some usages Rome pitch was considerably higher than current A440


I wrote:

> This is tantalizing (assuming you're talking about 17th-century
> Rome). Where in Rome was pitch high? And who documented it?


On Dec 9, 2007, at 12:12 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote:

> As I said, I wished to point out that the picture on pitch was far 
> from simplistic even within one region. However I really don't 
> think I should need, or indeed bother, to duplicate the journals 
> and other published work on pitch - do you?

Many posts here contain information that duplicates what can be found 
in other sources. I find them much more helpful than a post which 
merely states that unspecified sources contain information, something 
tend to assume. Since you'd already offered a statement purporting 
to be based on information of some sort which could be found 
somewhere, but which was too vague to be of any use, I thought you 
might offer an example if I asked the question. You could have said 
something like:

"The organ at the 17th-century Church of the Holy Pistachio is tuned 
to A=603, according to Haynes at p. 259"

which would have been less than half as long as your 40-word refusal 
to respond, and been vastly more useful.

For one thing, it might have satisfied my inquiry, and let me know 
that I, and doubtless some other folk, were mistaken in thinking it 
could safely be said that pitch in Rome was lower than in Mantua.

For another, it would have given me some inkling as to whether you 
actually knew something about the subject, or were just blithering in 
a general sort of way. Here in cyberspace, as elsewhere in life, we 
often need to evaluate the merits of an opinion or piece of purported 
information (since every message essentially presents the choice of 
believing what it says, writing a message contradicting it, or 
deleting and moving on), and asking for support, or detail, or 
additional information, is the best way of doing it. It's a way of 
evaluating both the information and the purveyor of the 
information. I think it's wise to do this before I spend a day in a 
library searching "the many journals," as you put it, for information 
that may not be there.





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