I'm sure I need to to review my notes but I don't remember Dowland 
using a dot ornament in the holograph sources;
Can you refresh my memory as to where he uses it?

Much appreciated.
dt



At 12:17 PM 7/11/2008, you wrote:
>Dear Gilbert,
>
>Thanks - you've alerted me to something which I should have made 
>explicit, but which I mistakenly left unsaid.  Margaret Board (and 
>Dowland) used a dot (to the left  of the note) to mean a shake, 
>instead of the more usual # .
>
>I did say that sometimes scribes substituted a dot for one or other 
>of the signs, but having presented these pieces from Board I should 
>really have explained it more clearly.
>
>In Board (also Mace and various lyra viol manuscripts) the dot means 
>a shake, the cross means a fall.  This is clear from the contexts in 
>which the signs occur.  In most other English lute sources, the # 
>means a shake and the + means a fall.  The only qualification needed 
>here is that when I say "Board" I mean the pieces actually written 
>by her and Dowland - there are other hands at work in her book which 
>don't follow the same convention.
>
>I hope that makes it clear.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Martin
>
>P.S. Right hand fingering is represented by dots *under* the note, 
>one dot for first finger, two dots for middle finger, three for ring finger.
>
>
>Gilbert Isbin wrote:
>
>>Dear Martin,
>>I read your very interesting essay on ornaments at the Dowland site.
>>One thing I don't understand is the left dot before the note. It's 
>>defenitely an ornament. I can hear it on the mp3 files. Is this dot 
>>written because the ornament is used with open strings ? It's not 
>>clear to me what the difference is between  a cross or + and this dot Thanks
>>Gilbert http://users.pandora.be/gilbert.isbin/lutecompositions.html
>>
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