Dear Chris, there is no argument about that there was strumming in lute music. Neusidler and Judenkunig called it "mit Durchstreichen", i. e. with strumming. Even 17th century French lute music has it.
Yet what Howard meant to conclude, if I got it right, was that as modern rhythm guitarists avoid to stand out, so did medieval lutenists when playing bourdons. His intention being to dispute--yes, there it is again: spaltklang. Mathias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Mathias, > > --- "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > No such thing like rhythm lutes in medieval > > ensemble music, > > > > > > How do you know? Have you been listening to those > > non-existent > > > recordings? You don't think any 14th-century > > lutenist in a dance > > > band ever strummed a bunch of fifths? > > > > In the way rock band rhythm guitarists do? No, I > > don't think so. Matter > > of restricted imagination, probably. > > > > There's lots of strumming in Pesaro, Thibault, and > Dalza. These are really early renaissance sources > (Pesaro and Thibault may or may not be for plectrum > lute) but it's likely that the strumming aspect is a > holdover from the Mediaeval plectrum style. Dalza's > Pivas "alla Venetiana" involve practically nothing > else other than strumming! We don't have a surviving > "Charte of choycest Strumms for ye Lout," that doesn't > mean "rhythm lute" didn't exist in group playing. > > Chris > > > > > > > > or baroque > > > > for that matter, as far as I can see. > > > > > > It's called continuo. > > > > That's a bit sweeping, don't you think? At least, > > it's not the way I'm > > used to playing continuo when accompanying singers. > > First thing is to > > distinctly provide the bass line. Guitarists may > > approach this > > differently. > > > > > In broken consorts, and some lute songs, its > > > called "the tab parts that don't have divisions." > > > > > > >> A viol player in a > > > >> polyphonic consort needs to have his instrument > > and his line heard > > > >> distinctly. The cittern player in a broken > > consort wants to blend > > > >> with the pandora (and lute, if the lute isn't > > playing divisions). > > > > > > > > Again, how can he / she (cittern), playing his / > > her own part? > > > > > > By DOING IT. It's what musicians do. > > > > Okay, I'm not a musician. I'm a lute player, > > occasionally, in a broken > > consort. And I don't try to blend with other > > instruments but to be heard > > as distinctly as possible. > > > > I'm sorry I can't continue this, as I'm heading for > > the players' meeting > > in Cottbus. > > -- > > Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
