Yes, but you would rarely double the F sharp anyway, It could mean his counterpoint is a bit stricter. Still, it could be influenced by the tuning. dt
At 05:00 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: > Mudarra, in his "Tres Libros..." of 1546 uses (only once, in #38 >Fantasia (quinto tono), Lib. II, f. 14, bar 39) a fret labelled "XI", and it >is the eleventh fret (f# in g tuning). Interestingly, in regard to tempering >of frets, he never uses f#'s from different courses at the same time. > >Regards, >Leonard Williams > > /[ ] > / \ > | * | > \_=_/ > > > >On 1/31/09 10:37 AM, "Richard Yates" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thanks, Dan. Yes, I understand about typos and the various kinds one > > encounters, and I think I can usually deduce by ear the correct > fret to use. > > But the 'XI' symbol for the octave fret is probably not a typo as > it (and no > > other) is used many times for that fret in the 1566 collections. The puzzle > > is that some folks here speculated that 'XI' was used for the octave fret > > because he had no eleventh fret. If that speculation is not true then what > > symbol WOULD be used for an eleventh fret? The spot I found at > > http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Neusidler.jpg (I think the only eleventh > > fret anywhere in those collections) suggests the possibility that 'XI' was > > used intentionally for both. But that seems implausible also. If > either spot > > is a typo, what would have been the correct symbol? > > > >> Sorry if you thought your question wasn't answered- I thought > >> it pretty much was; specifically acknowledgement of the > >> ambiguity of some of the fret/note symbols, the typos that > >> occur in printed material, etc.- to me, just no big whoop one > >> way or the other. I have those two books in one volume of > >> Neusidler's works, (fine music > >> indeed) and I just play them as I see them, adjusting for the > >> typos or ambiguous symbols as they occur. So yes, in the > >> Recercar Terzo "XI" is indeed the 12 fret but in the Pass'e > >> mezo the same symbol is now the 11th fret, and so it goes. > >> Nothing further to unravel once the right notes are found. > >> I've actually found far worse typos in other parts of the > >> book- don't recall where off hand, if you run into them I'll > >> be happy to help out if possible. I think one cadence > >> somewhere was still a bit of a puzzle for me the last time I > >> read through it. > >> > >> Dan > >> > >> > >>> Perhaps it was overlooked in the surge of new threads, or maybe my > >>> question was just an uninteresting one with an obvious solution, but > >>> any response to the example I found below about the > >> mysterious Melchior > >>> eleventh fret would be much appreciated. RY > >>> > >>>> I ran across another spot that confounds the question of the > >> eleventh > >>>> fret and its notation. In the Pass'e mezo Milanese there is a 'XI' > >>>> symbol on the second course. It sounds to me like it should > >> be played > >>>> on the eleventh fret in contrast to other places (e.g. > >> Recercar Terzo) > >>>> where 'XI' seems to mean > >>>> twelfth (i.e. octave) fret. Can anyone unravel this one? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
