A longa is indeed four and four in much 17th c music, although it can 
also hold other values.

dt

At 05:14 AM 4/4/2009, you wrote:
>    Dear Stewart:
>    I think Rainer hit the mark.  I believe Robinson is referring to the
>    'long', which appears square or rectangular in shape and can be doubled
>    in time.  My reading is that when one encounters static time that
>    cannot be sustained with a plucked string, usually a a point of
>    cadence, passionate but tasteful division is required for the lute to
>    make sense of the close.
>    Best wishes,
>    Ron Andrico
>    www.mignarda.com
>    > Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 23:58:05 +0100
>    > To: [email protected]
>    > From: [email protected]
>    > Subject: [LUTE] Squares in a Treble
>    >
>    > In The Schoole of Musicke (London, 1603), Thomas Robinson writes
>    about
>    > ornamentation as follows:
>    >
>    >
>    > " Now you shall have a generall rule to grace it, as with pashionate
>    > play, and relishing it: and note that the longer the time is of a
>    > single stroke, that the more neede it hath of a relish, for a relish
>    > will help, both to grace it, and also it helps to continue the sound
>    of
>    > the note his full time: but in a quicke time a little touch or jerke
>    > will serue, and that onely with the most strongest finger. Passionate
>    > play is to runne some part of the squares in a Treble (that is foure
>    > and foure) first loud, then soft, and so in a decorum, now louder,
>    now
>    > softer, (not in extremitie of either) but as companie of other
>    > instruments, or farnesse off giveth occasion...."
>    >
>    >
>    > Please could someone explain the meaning of "Passionate play is to
>    > runne some part of the squares in a Treble (that is foure and
>    foure)"?
>    >
>    >
>    > Stewart McCoy.
>    >
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