Hi Peter,
I have not looked into if there are any theorbo-related writings or
markings in the manuscripts
apart from the two tablature parts. I already discussed the anonymous
piece for
d-minor-tuned-things, and the other tablature in the Buxtehude work is
most likely written
by a copyist, there are a number of mistakes in that.
There is of course a possibility for you to look into this:
If you go inte the Basic Search
[1]http://www.musik.uu.se/duben/basicSearch.php
and in the field Scoring uses "contains" and types in th
you will get a list of all works where th(=theorbo) is indicated.
You should get the 44 works that actually specifies theorbo, and from
them get into the bc parts.
Please note that not all manuscripts are yet available, and that there
is a "layer of musicology" covering the actual manuscripts...
Regards
Jan
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:33 , Peter Martin <[email protected]> sent:
This is a really interesting collection, with quite a few basso
continuo parts marked as being for theorbo.
What strikes me is that these theorbo parts are basically the same
as
the other basso continuo parts, with no attempt made to adapt them
for
the instrument. Chromatic bass lines. A range that doesn't use the
instrument's bass notes.
And no manuscript annotations to show how the player adapted the
part
for his instrument. Maybe the musicians simply weren't allowed to
write on the music.
Are there any theorbo basso continuo parts anywhere which are
clearly
designed for theorbo, more instrument-specific?
P
2009/10/22 <[1][2][email protected]>
The Dueben collection at the Uppsala University Library, Sweden,
is one
of
the largest collections of music from (essentially) the second
half of
the 17th century.
There are about 2300 works in manuscripts, and there are vocal and
instrumental
pieces by more than 300 composers. For most of the works we have
the
parts,
and for some we also have the scores (but in German organ
tablature...).
But these manuscripts are what "the old ones" actually played
from!
Almost all works have one or more parts for Basso Continuo in form
of
figured base.
There are 40+ works that have a BC part labeled Tiorba (or
something
similar), so my guess
is that this is what "the old pluckers" played from.
But there are two works that also have lute tablature, an
anonymous
work titled
"Ach Swea Trohn" and one by Buxtehude "Fuerchtet Euch Nicht".
Now to the evidence...
The work "Ach Swea Trohn" was composed for a special occasion (the
death of a Swedish Queen)
and is written for soprano, 2 viola d' amore(actually one of the
earliest pieces specifying that
instrument) and BC. But there are 4 BC parts(one marked Tiorba) +
2
(almost identical) lute tablature
parts for something in d-minor tuning.
I don't think they wrote out parts just for fun, so I think we can
assume that the solists
(soprano + 2 viola d'amore) were "supported by" 6 continuo players
(including one tiorba and two
other lute instruments)! We don't hear the very often today.
The really fun thing is that the whole Dueben collection is being
scanned and made available
on-line. So if you would like to look at the parts for the piece
above, click at
[1][2][3]http://www.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource.php\?Select
_Dnr
=1705
and you will get a list of all the parts. From there you can go on
to
the individual
manuscript pages. When you have looked at those you can continue
with
the other 30.000 manuscript pages....
The home page of the Dueben collection is
[2][3][4]http://www.musik.uu.se/duben/Duben.php
and there are search functions for composer, title, scoring....
If you have comments or questions you can contact me,
I'm currently working on the implementation of the Dueben
collection
data base.
Have fun exploring this unique collection!
Jan Johansson
References
1.
[4][5]http://www.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource.php\?Select_Dn
r=17
05
2. [5][6]http://www.musik.uu.se/duben/Duben.php
To get on or off this list see list information at
[6][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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