"David Tayler" <[email protected]> schrieb: > I don't think the material in that article is complete and up to date. > For example, there was a perfectly good term for the broken style which > is Harpege.
Arpègement is a word, indeed. The key point of that word has gone lost, though, because today arpegiating is just one way of playing chords. However, what happens to _parts_ that are written one above another, when arpegiated, is that these parts are shifted rhythmically. (Look at Perrine's book, there's no quick rolling of chords, they're all arpegiated rhythmically.) You could just as well say, the voices are broken. That's why definitions of playing techniques like separé or arpègement don't yield descriptions of what accounts for pieces de luth. Mathias > It isn't clear at all what luthe means, it could me "unmeasured" or > refer to the separation of the bass and the treble, and so on. > Sadly, most articles have an expiration date of say twenty years. > dt > At 06:09 PM 11/29/2009, you wrote: > > Danny & all: > The article that best defines the terminology is > "Style brise, Style luthe," and the "Choses luthees", by David J. > Buch, The Musical Quarterly, Vol. 71, No. 1 (1985), pp. 52-67 > Best wishes, > Ron Andrico > [1]www.mignarda.com > > Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:22:58 -0800 > > To: [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise > > > > The fact that it has not yet been traced back > > does not make it a modern term. Articles which > > say that it cannot be traced do not even have a > > footnote saying where they looked, they should > > have just said they could not find it and listed > > the sources. I doubt that all the sources have > > been searched for it. In addition, the term > > brisee means, among other things, plucked in the > > 17th century, so it must have been used to > > describe instruments like the harp and the lute. > > Dictionaries give plucked as a definition as > > early as ca1600. There may be even parallel > > compounds like "accents brisees" that people have > > not even looked for. Some of these may be related > > terms, such as cadence brisee which is quite > > early. I suspect there is a more than even chance > > an earlier useage of the term will surface, and > > then we can debate if luthe and brise are the same :) > > As far as the term luthe, it would be better if > > we can find out what the lute players called it > > as the harpsichordists may have used a different term. > > dt > > > > At 06:24 AM 11/29/2009, you wrote: > > >Yes, good point, "style brise" is a modern term. > > >It's better to use "style luthe" instead if we > > >really have to use anything at all. > > > > > >JL > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Probert" > <[email protected]> > > >To: <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:34 AM > > >Subject: [LUTE] Terminology: brise > > > > > > > > > > > >The recent thread on Saint Luc brought up the term "brise" (final > > >e-accute) that I had not read before. So I went to Groves and > found > > >that "Style brise" refers to a broken appeggiation style, which, > in > > >reference to early French Baroque lute music, I am familiar with. > > > > > >Interestingly, that term, "Style brise", can't be traced back > further > > >than 1928 and one La Laurencie's "Les luthistes" (Paris, 1928). > > >Apparently, back in the day, Couperin referred to the technique > as > > >'luthe'. Thing is, he was referring to harpsichordists using the > lute > > >style, not a lutenist using that style. > > > > > >So now we are describing a lute technique using a keyboard style > name > > >that was originally used to describe a lute style. Excellent! > > > > > >. mark > > > > > > > > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at > > >[2] http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. > [3]Try it now. > > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.mignarda.com/ > 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 3. > http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 > > -- Viele Grüße Mathias Rösel http://mathiasroesel.livejournal.com http://www.myspace.com/mathiasroesel
