And don't play you Ogni Sorte on you Liuto Forte! dt At 06:25 PM 11/30/2010, you wrote:
>If the van Ghizeghem's rockin' don't come Tandernaken! > > >On Nov 30, 2010, at 5:56 PM, David Tayler wrote: > > >> >>Snip >>I am minded of the editions of Ogni Sorte, not only are they >>presented in >>original notation and parts as well as score, but also the editions >>focus >>on specific themes, eg, De tous biens plains, all 28 known versions >>by all >>composers. (See _De tous Biens Plaine_, Cynthia J Cyrus, A-R >>Editions). >Snip > >Ogni Sorte are great editions, but they aren't facsimiles. >Tandernacken is my fave. Venus Bant, Fortuna also great. > >>Snip >>>So here is the question, should we "correct" the works of Josquin? >>>Because some of those notes are longer in one part. Maybe add a rest >>>at the beginning? >> >>I would first look to printed editions such as Odhecaton and see how >>it >>was handled there; but recall that often an incipit maxima rest >>shows the >>mood and may be better considered part of the time signature. >>Further, >>never forget that printed editions relied heavily on the musical >>skills of >>the compositor(s); persons whose skill was challenged with every >>piece of >>backwards-facing type they placed in the rack. >Snip > >I picked a piece, Mille Regretz, that doesn't start on a rest, but is >emblematic of the thousands of imitative pieces that start on a long >note and are imitated further on in the piece by a short note. >Looking at Odhecaton won't help here, at least in any way that I can >see, but maybe I'm missing your idea here. >No editor would shorten that first note (Mille Regretz). The point >is, there is no rule, stylistically, contrapuntally, or otherwise to >"regularize" imitation on the first note, unless Josquin, Isaac and >everyone else is writing bad counterpoint. >Reconciling the different sources is a separate matter. >Even the lute and vihuela versions of Mille Regretz start on a long >note; it is a standard way of starting a piece. > >I'm basically saying, Francesco is like Josquin. And, like most >things, the sources differ. >dt > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
