Right on, Tom!  I've made this same point myself in earlier posts.  

Ned
On Jul 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, [email protected] wrote:

>  Something that has had me perplexed for some time:
> "Historical" sound on recordings.
>  It seems to me that most available recordings of lute music,
> historical or not, are very heavy on reverberation.  It has been 
> an old ploy in the recording industry for decades - take any recording, 
> add reverb to it, and viola!  It sounds magically better to our modern ears.
> Human hearing is geared to the presence of ambient reverberation in 
> space, but I feel that on most lute recordings - indeed in most "early 
> music" recordings, it tends to be overdone.  Some time ago on this very 
> list I remember reading an email that said something like "Use this kind 
> of microphone, add 'church', and you're there."  Yes, lutes were certainly 
> played in churches, but I think the majority of lute music, at least in the 
> Renaissance, would have been played in small warm spaces in the average 
> middle-class home.  Nevertheless, the majority of lute recordings that I 
> have listened to have the "cavernous stone church" reverberation setting.
> Totally "dry" (i.e. NO reverb) would be just as bad.  But I'd like to hear 
> some recordings of good HIP lute playing without all that echo, but with a 
> reverb that would conjure up a small, intimate listening environment.
>  Tom
> Tom Draughon
> Heartistry Music
> http://www.heartistry.com/artists/tom.html
> 714  9th Avenue West
> Ashland, WI  54806
> 715-682-9362
> 
>>>>> Art is a personal expression of universal value,
>>>> 
>>>> That concept of the arts has developed in Western Europe in the
>>>> wake of political emancipation during the 18th-19th centuries.
>>>> Before that era, artists would usually not consider themselves
>>>> autonomous so as to make use of their art in order to express
>>>> themselves. Most lute music dates from times older than that.
>>> 
>>> Point taken. But without the high-blown words I think it's fair to
>>> say
>> that much
>>> lute music is still very personal. Perhaps in older times more
>>> expressions
>> of
>>> craftsmanship than art, but still, personall expressions.
>> 
>> Sorry to blow high, but, hm . there is such a thing like personal
>> style to compositions by, say, Handel, Emond or Vieux Gallot, to name
>> a few. I'd like to consider them their distinguishing marks. You will
>> recognize some of Handel's music by his pet final formula, some of
>> Emond's allemandes by his particular shifted rhythms, and some of
>> Vieux Gallot's pieces by his use of upper positions on the fret board.
>> You could call that their unique selling propositions, if you will.
>> But I'd have difficulties in taking these features as personal.
>> 
>> Music as a way of personal expression is a notion that didn't develop
>> until the 19th century. Music to _raise_ fear, joy, anger, sadness,
>> tranquility etc. has been composed since the invention of monody. But
>> not music that expresses fear, joy, anger, sadness, tranquility etc.
>> of its composer (like e. g. van Beethoven's Pleasant Emotions at the
>> Arrival in the Woods, 6th Symphony, 2nd movement).
>> 
>> Everybody must choose their ways of performing for an audience present
>> (even if it's no more than yourself). But taking pieces of lute music
>> as expressing personal emotions of their composers IMO is a case of
>> intentional fallacy, more often than not. -- I for one would base the
>> interpretation on settings that the music probably was performed in
>> (like royal festivities with dances, civic parties etc.) rather than
>> on possible personal expressions of the composers.
>> 
>>>>> I believe that for a player it helps to understand the coding to
>>>>> play the music more convincingly.
>>>> 
>>>> A pivotal point IMO: Convincingly for whom?
>>> 
>>> For me, remember: lute playing is just for me, that was the whole
>>> point of
>> doing
>>> pointless things.
>> 
>> Sorry I misunderstood. So, if it's only myself I have to convince ...
>> -- what's the difference? Finding something convincing or plausible,
>> presupposes other people's opinions in my mind (teachers, writers,
>> performers). If I don't have a clue, how can I be convincing even to
>> myself? I even imagine that if I were a prof performer, I'd have in
>> mind a generic audience as well.
>> 
>>> I do know. But I might not be what they expect a real minstrel to be
>> anyway. I
>>> don't (usually) sing to my lute playing either, nor do I wear a
>>> feather in
>> my cap. ;)
>> 
>> Oh, yes, the feather, an important accessory. Well, you and me and
>> some others know that it isn't really important in itself, do we. But
>> we also know that we're sometimes expected to wear it. And if we
>> don't, it's still there as a minus on the list. Coloured feather
>> standing for artistic expression, rubato, some dynamics etc.
>> 
>> Mathias
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> Tom Draughon
> Heartistry Music
> http://www.heartistry.com/artists/tom.html
> 714  9th Avenue West
> Ashland, WI  54806
> 715-682-9362
> 
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