Mark, I resent calling Friedman's very reasonable and moderate note "fanatical" and "hysterical". Your writing smacks of the kind of stuff people kept writing in post war Germany (some still do) in order to veil or at least belittle the horrors and implications of Nazi barbarism. Again, the evil Jews are forging a conspiracy against innocent "Arians", guilty only of a little heel clicking and fooling around with racism (the genocide and other monstrous crimes being viewed as a Jewish forgery?) in order to restore global power for their "God" Freud. This is so disgusting, you must be kidding. You can't mean that!? Did you actually READ what Jung wrote as a Nazi-official from 1933-1943? Did you follow his biography? It might not suit you, but you don't need a Jewish pro Freud conspiracy to establish links between Nazi racism and Jung's appalling theories. It's all in his published writings. He called the Jews an inferior "race", "parasites" to the more "creative races" like Jung's/Hitler's. In my book, that's Nazi propaganda of the worst kind. Moreover, the strictest and most substantial opponent of Jung was W. Reich, who could hardly be suspected to have idolized Freud. Sure, Jung later regretted to be so closely associated with the defeated regime, but that he had in common with the majority of Germans.
danyel cf: Avner Falk: Anti-semitism: a history and psychoanalysis of contemporary hatred, p. 109f. —Heinz Gess: C.G. Jung und die faschistische „Weltanschauung“ (online) Am 13.07.2011 um 18:34 schrieb Mark Seifert: > Dear Corvo et al > Jung has been of interest to me since about 1976 when I was completing a > psychiatry training rotation at a Freudian institution in New York. I had > read a couple of Jung's books and found them most interesting, but noticed > that the only self-identified Jungian psychoanalytic institutes in America > were in San Francisco and L.A. Also, I got a hostile reaction from most of > the New York psychiatrists with whom I tried to discuss Jung, not at that > time knowing anything about his (reputedly brief) stint as a tool of the > Reich. > > I long ago became satisfied with the theory that Jung had briefly taken the > post of top dog in the German psychiatric establishment for the money, and > quit promptly to flee back to Switzerland soon after he figured out what the > Nazis were doing. This may or may not be entirely true. But to dismiss > Jung's vast writings and interests as unworthy (I don't remember any of them > espousing Nazi doctrines) simply because of this time in 1933 is to indulge > in a fanatical suppression campaign, and I don't buy Henry J. Friedman's > hysterical statement. Freud has fallen very far in esteem among the more > biochemically and behavioristically oriented psychiatrists in the U.S., and I > suspect Friedman is trying to restore some of the God-like status Freud > gained for a long time by degrading Jung. Jung was a typical liberal > insterested in lots of things and exploring widely, and nothing in his > biography suggests that he indulged in Nazi behavior, except perhaps a little > heel clicking ! now and then. > > Regarding Jung and the lute, lute - related eruptions from the unconscious > have affected all of us. > > Mark Seifert MD > > From: corvo di bassetto <[email protected]> > To: G. Crona <[email protected]> > Cc: Lutelist <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, July 12, 2011 5:39:46 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' > > Jung presents another of his 'fascinating' concepts, i.e. that "Germanic" and > "Jewish" psychology were fundamentally different and should be kept apart (in > order to get rid of the latter). He wrote that as the new head of the German > psychiatrists association in 1933, as a sort of motto for the upcoming > expurgations. > > See also: > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/08/books/l-jung-s-anti-semitism-177490.html > > Best wishes, > danyel > > > Am 13.07.2011 um 02:07 schrieb G. Crona: > >> In English please? >> >> G. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "corvo di bassetto" <[email protected]> >> To: "G. Crona" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "Lutelist" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' >> >> >> C.G. Jung was a … Nazi! >> (cf.: »Die tatsächlich bestehenden und einsichtigen Leuten schon längst >> bekannten Verschiedenheiten der germanischen und der jüdischen Psychologie >> sollen nicht mehr verwischt werden, was der Wissenschaft nur förderlich sein >> kann« C.G. Jung, Zentralblatt für Psychotherapie, Dec. 1933) >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
