Sorry, this seems to have wandered way too far afield for my tastes. If this were carried on in direct, private correspondence, I personally would feel no loss for it.
Eugene PS: I like lutes and their music. I am not fond of oppressive fascism. I enjoy discussing one of those topics here. > -----Original Message----- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of corvo di bassetto > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 6:57 AM > To: Mark Seifert > Cc: Lutelist Net > Subject: [LUTE] CG Jung (Re: What's the point to 'historical sound') > > Mark, > > I resent calling Friedman's very reasonable and moderate note "fanatical" > and "hysterical". Your writing smacks of the kind of stuff people kept > writing in post war Germany (some still do) in order to veil or at least > belittle the horrors and implications of Nazi barbarism. Again, the evil > Jews are forging a conspiracy against innocent "Arians", guilty only of a > little heel clicking and fooling around with racism (the genocide and > other monstrous crimes being viewed as a Jewish forgery?) in order to > restore global power for their "God" Freud. This is so disgusting, you > must be kidding. You can't mean that!? > Did you actually READ what Jung wrote as a Nazi-official from 1933-1943? > Did you follow his biography? > It might not suit you, but you don't need a Jewish pro Freud conspiracy to > establish links between Nazi racism and Jung's appalling theories. It's > all in his published writings. He called the Jews an inferior "race", > "parasites" to the more "creative races" like Jung's/Hitler's. In my book, > that's Nazi propaganda of the worst kind. > Moreover, the strictest and most substantial opponent of Jung was W. > Reich, who could hardly be suspected to have idolized Freud. > Sure, Jung later regretted to be so closely associated with the defeated > regime, but that he had in common with the majority of Germans. > > danyel > > cf: Avner Falk: Anti-semitism: a history and psychoanalysis of > contemporary hatred, p. 109f. > Heinz Gess: C.G. Jung und die faschistische Weltanschauung (online) > > > > > > Am 13.07.2011 um 18:34 schrieb Mark Seifert: > > > Dear Corvo et al > > Jung has been of interest to me since about 1976 when I was completing a > psychiatry training rotation at a Freudian institution in New York. I had > read a couple of Jung's books and found them most interesting, but noticed > that the only self-identified Jungian psychoanalytic institutes in America > were in San Francisco and L.A. Also, I got a hostile reaction from most > of the New York psychiatrists with whom I tried to discuss Jung, not at > that time knowing anything about his (reputedly brief) stint as a tool of > the Reich. > > > > I long ago became satisfied with the theory that Jung had briefly taken > the post of top dog in the German psychiatric establishment for the money, > and quit promptly to flee back to Switzerland soon after he figured out > what the Nazis were doing. This may or may not be entirely true. But to > dismiss Jung's vast writings and interests as unworthy (I don't remember > any of them espousing Nazi doctrines) simply because of this time in 1933 > is to indulge in a fanatical suppression campaign, and I don't buy Henry > J. Friedman's hysterical statement. Freud has fallen very far in esteem > among the more biochemically and behavioristically oriented psychiatrists > in the U.S., and I suspect Friedman is trying to restore some of the God- > like status Freud gained for a long time by degrading Jung. Jung was a > typical liberal insterested in lots of things and exploring widely, and > nothing in his biography suggests that he indulged in Nazi behavior, > except perhaps a little heel clicking ! > now and then. > > > > Regarding Jung and the lute, lute - related eruptions from the > unconscious have affected all of us. > > > > Mark Seifert MD > > > > From: corvo di bassetto <r...@recout.de> > > To: G. Crona <kalei...@gmail.com> > > Cc: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > Sent: Tue, July 12, 2011 5:39:46 PM > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' > > > > Jung presents another of his 'fascinating' concepts, i.e. that > "Germanic" and "Jewish" psychology were fundamentally different and should > be kept apart (in order to get rid of the latter). He wrote that as the > new head of the German psychiatrists association in 1933, as a sort of > motto for the upcoming expurgations. > > > > See also: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/08/books/l-jung-s-anti-semitism- > 177490.html > > > > Best wishes, > > danyel > > > > > > Am 13.07.2011 um 02:07 schrieb G. Crona: > > > >> In English please? > >> > >> G. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "corvo di bassetto" <r...@recout.de> > >> To: "G. Crona" <kalei...@gmail.com> > >> Cc: "Lutelist" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:55 AM > >> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' > >> > >> > >> C.G. Jung was a Nazi! > >> (cf.: »Die tatsächlich bestehenden und einsichtigen Leuten schon längst > bekannten Verschiedenheiten der germanischen und der jüdischen Psychologie > sollen nicht mehr verwischt werden, was der Wissenschaft nur förderlich > sein kann« C.G. Jung, Zentralblatt für Psychotherapie, Dec. 1933) > >> > >> > >> > >> To get on or off this list see list information at > >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > >
