Howard, David, Stephen,
   One would hope that overzealous- "draconian, inflexible enforcement..."
   doesn't impact any of our beloved & highly esteemed luthiers.  Gibson
   Guitars may have deeper- much deeper- pockets than the average
   luthier-so I thought this article was of some concern; ( "United Breaks
   Guitars", - it also breaks lutes.) But as a lute list, we are of course
   well advised not to veer too far off topic- especially if discussions
   are in danger of falling into the hopeless deep end of politics.
   Apologies if my link led to any of that. (Can't be too careful these
   days.)  -Dan
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   From: "David Smith" <[email protected]>
   To: "howard posner" <[email protected]>
   Cc: "Lute List" <[email protected]>
   Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:04:11 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: An article from today's Wall Street Journal
   Thank you!
   regards
   David
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Aug 27, 2011, at 10:10 AM, howard posner <[email protected]>
   wrote:
   > On Aug 27, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Stephen Stubbs wrote:
   >
   >> Just another example of the Social Justice experiment still going on
   in USA.
   >>
   >> Basically,
   >>
   >> Corporations are Bad.
   >> Social Justice is Good.
   >>
   >> The last major Social Justice experiment made it all the way into
   the USA Constitution as the 18th Amendment, (the Prohibition Amendment
   making it very difficult to obtain alcoholic beverages legally) on
   January 17, 1920.
   >>
   >> It took the 21st Amendment on December 5, 1933 to repeal the 18th
   Amendment.
   >>
   >> I don't expect the irrational experiments being done by the current
   Attorney General of the USA (Eric Holder) to continue after the next
   President and Congress take office in January 2013.
   >> "The Other" Stephen Stubbs
   >> Champaign, IL
   >
   >
   > I hate to burst your bubble when you've obviously been saving up this
   little Republican bumper sticker for the right moment to plaster it on
   the lute list, but you got the subject wrong: this is about actions to
   enforce an international treaty by the U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service
   (Interior Department) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement
   (Department of Homeland Security).  It's the second time in a couple of
   years that Gibson has been raided on suspicion of using wood from
   protected species.
   >
   > It has nothing to do with the Attorney General, the Democratic Party,
   corporations, or social justice (neither did Prohibition, which was an
   attempt to enforce morality; social justice legislation would be
   something like the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which is still in effect,
   even in rural Illinois, regardless of whether it's considered untoward
   government interference to tell a business that it can't exclude
   customers because of their skin color).
   >
   > The documentation issue is a difficult one.  On the one hand,
   draconian, inflexible enforcement is unfair.  On the other hand, if
   enforcement authorities don't demand rigorous documentation it's far
   too easy to smuggle illegal substances.  This would defeat the purpose
   of environmental protection treaties, which are understood to be
   important by everyone in the world except members of the Republican
   Party in the USA.  I have owned pre-CITES  instruments made of woods
   that have since been protected (my charango made of elephant-tusk
   ivory, strung with Barbary Sheep gut, in an rhinoceros-skin case lined
   with otter fur, comes to mind).  In the course of trying to sell a
   rosewood instrument a few months ago I made a point of telling
   potential buyers there could be problems taking it across borders.  A
   couple of overseas buyers expressed interest and then disappeared; I
   don't whether the CITES problems scared them away.  Sometimes we are
   inconvenienced by concerns (such as biod!
    iv!
   > ersity and deforestation) more important than our own little
   problems.
   >
   > Anyway, if you really needed to offer an off-topic political rant,
   you should have saved it for a time when it was actually a propos of
   the subject.  I'm going back to my morning coffee.  You enjoy your tea
   party.
   >
   >
   >
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