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But Sterling... Iâm (or was) a luthier... I used hide glue for years,
becoming an alchemist with the stuff adding nitrogen fertilizer and such to
alter gel-times, diluting for strength, etc... I found epoxy (through
boatbuilding) to be just as âreversibleâ with heat, and a lot nicer than
hide glue to work with, providing you remembered it was a toxic nightmare and
work clean... It works well. So do the other aliphatic resin glues, where
appropriate. You should try gluing lute ribs with hide... Or even better,
coating the join on the top/rib with hide glue then ironing it on. Epoxy will
appeal after you do just one, I think...
Garry
From: sterling price
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:30 AM
To: Garry Warber ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
As any good luthier will tell you today, hide glue is still superior to modern
glue for several reasons.
--Sterling
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
Or, As I enjoy assuming, the "old ones" used the best they had, and if
they'd had epoxy glue and nylon strings that's what they'd have used... :-)
Things can get endlessly circular in these beliefs. I just like how well
the early music is written! The stuff plays itself without a lot of
"interpretive gimmicks." I'm all for re-creating their sound as close as we
can, for others. For myself, a totally modern lute is just ducky... :-)
Garry
-----Original Message-----
From: Roman Turovsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:27 AM
To: Martyn Hodgson ; [email protected] ; andy butler
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
There is a great likelihood that "our" gut is rather acoustically different
from "their".
Lets not forget to use the honest modifier "approximation of".
RT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martyn Hodgson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; "andy butler" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:01 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
>
> The superiority of gut is chiefly that it was the material used by the
> Old Ones. If we have any pretensions to attempting to reproduce the
> sounds these early lutenist composers expected and their auditors
> heard, it is necessary to employ the same string materials.
>
> MH
> --- On Tue, 30/8/11, andy butler <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: andy butler <[email protected]>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011, 9:27
>
> David van Ooijen wrote:
> > The basses are shortish, so a higher tuning would be better,
> actually.
> > If the instrument is tuned to g', gut diapassons are possible (if
> cost
> > is an issue use fret gut, it really is so much better than any of the
> > modern materials), otherwise carbon or metal-wounds seem to be the
> > best option.
> Beginner's questions.
> Is the superiority of gut down to the shorter sustain time
> that someone mentioned earlier?
> Is string damping really unpopular? (unnecessary?)
> andy
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
> --
>
> References
>
> 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>
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src="cid:C406196480C44732A36F7147D25ECD70@GarryPC"> I used hide glue for
years, becoming an alchemist with the stuff adding nitrogen fertilizer and such
to alter gel-times, diluting for strength, etc... I found epoxy (through
boatbuilding) to be just as âreversibleâ with heat, and a lot nicer than
hide
glue to work with, providing you remembered it was a toxic nightmare and work
clean... <IMG
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So do the other aliphatic resin glues, where appropriate. You should try
gluing lute ribs with hide... Or even better, coating the join on the
top/rib with hide glue then ironing it on. Epoxy will appeal after you do
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [LUTE] Re: long
strings?<BR></FONT><BR>Or, As I enjoy assuming, the "old ones" used the best
they had, and if <BR>they'd had epoxy glue and nylon strings that's what they'd
have used... :-) <BR>Things can get endlessly circular in these
beliefs. I just like how well <BR>the early music is written! The
stuff plays itself without a lot of <BR>"interpretive gimmicks." I'm all
for re-creating their sound as close as we <BR>can, for others. For
myself, a totally modern lute is just ducky...
:-)<BR>Garry<BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Roman
Turovsky<BR>Sent:
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:27 AM<BR>To: Martyn Hodgson ; <A
href="mailto:[email protected]";
ymailto="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A> ; andy
butler<BR>Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?<BR><BR>There is a great likelihood
that "our" gut is rather acoustically different<BR>from "their".<BR>Lets not
forget to use the honest modifier "approximation
of".<BR>RT<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----
Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Martyn Hodgson" <<A
href="mailto:[email protected]";
ymailto="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A>><BR>To:
<<A href="mailto:[email protected]";
ymailto="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A>>; "andy
butler" <<A href="mailto:[email protected]";
ymailto="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A>><BR>Sent:
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:01 AM<BR>Subject: [LUTE] Re: long
strings?<BR><BR><BR>><BR>> The superiority of gut is chiefly that
it
was the material used by the<BR>> Old Ones. If we have any pretensions
to attempting to reproduce the<BR>> sounds these early lutenist
composers expected and their auditors<BR>> heard, it is necessary to
employ the same string materials.<BR>><BR>> MH<BR>> --- On
Tue, 30/8/11, andy butler <<A href="mailto:[email protected]";
ymailto="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> From: andy butler <<A
href="mailto:[email protected]";
ymailto="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A>><BR>>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:[email protected]";
ymailto="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A><BR>>
Date: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011, 9:27<BR>><BR>> David van Ooijen
wrote:<BR>> > The basses are shortish, so a higher tuning would be
better,<BR>> actually.<BR>> > If the instrument is tuned
to
g', gut diapassons are possible (if<BR>> cost<BR>> > is an
issue use fret gut, it really is so much better than any of the<BR>>
> modern materials), otherwise carbon or metal-wounds seem to be
the<BR>> > best option.<BR>> Beginner's
questions.<BR>> Is the superiority of gut down to the shorter sustain
time<BR>> that someone mentioned earlier?<BR>> Is string
damping really unpopular? (unnecessary?)<BR>> andy<BR>> To
get
on or off this list see list information at<BR>> [1]<A
href="http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html";
target=_blank>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html</A><BR>><BR>>
--<BR>><BR>> References<BR>><BR>> 1. <A
href="http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html";
target=_blank>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html</A><BR>><BR>><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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