The identification of this lutenist in "réunion d'amis", painted by Eustache Le Sueur (Lovre), is based on the interpretation of the story of the manuscript "La Rhétorique des Dieux". It seems unlikely that this lutenist is really Denis Gaultier. But we really have a portrait of Denis - in the Rhétorique, made by Robert Nanteuil. And this face looks different to the man on the "réunion". Here's a link to a better quality: http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CSearchZ.aspx?o=&Total=16&FP=12478107&E=2K1KTSUJB7L@D&SID=2K1KTSUJB7L@D&New=T&Pic=13&SubE=2C6NU0HWSKL7
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/joconde_fr?ACTION=RETROUVER&FIELD_1=DOMN&VALUE_1=&FIELD_2=Ctyob&VALUE_2=&FIELD_3=AUTR&VALUE_3=%27LESUEUR%20EUSTACHE%27&FIELD_4=Clieu&VALUE_4=&FIELD_5=REPR&VALUE_5=&FIELD_6=Cdate&VALUE_6=&FIELD_7=DECV&VALUE_7=&FIELD_8=LOCA&VALUE_8=Louvre&FIELD_9=Mat%E9riaux%2ftechniques&VALUE_9=&FIELD_10=Titre&VALUE_10=&NUMBER=72&GRP=1&REQ=%28%28%27LESUEUR%20EUSTACHE%27%29%20%3aAUTR%20%20ET%20%20%28%28Louvre%29%20%3aLOCA%20%29%29&USRNAME=nobody&USRPWD=4%24%2534P&SPEC=5&SYN=1&IMLY=&MAX1=1&MAX2=1&MAX3=100&DOM=All The story is complicate and here's not the place to refuse the mix of wrong informations since Mariette who sold he book in the 18th century. Andreas Am 08.09.2011 um 00:15 schrieb Mathias Rösel: > Was wrong list, here goes again: > >> So is there actually any reason to believe there is any connection to >> any of the Gaultiers? > > The painting is dated before van Dyck's first journey to London in 1620. It's > not Jacques, that much is clear. Neither Denis who still was a teen at the > time (and looked different, see > http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/image/joconde/0002/m503604_93de2136_p.jpg). > Before his first journey, van Dyck stayed at Antwerp. As far as I know, > neither Ennemond nor Pierre nor Ennemond's his employer, the queen, left > France before July 1631 (that's when Mary fled to Brussels). So it's not > probable that the painting shows one of the four known lutenists Gaultier. > > Mathias > > > >> Or even to any musician? If the theorbo is just a "courtly symbol par >> excellence"? >> >> Arto >> >> On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:50:07 +0200, Andreas Schlegel >> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> That's not Denis Gaultier! >>> >>> If it's a Gaultier, then it's Jacques. >>> see: >>> >> http://www.museodelprado.es/en/the-collection/online-gallery/on-line- >> gallery/obra/man-with-a-lute/?no_cache=1 >>> >>> Andreas >>> >>> Am 07.09.2011 um 21:29 schrieb wikla: >>> >>>> Dear lute gang, >>>> >>>> has anyone analysed the famous picture by van Dyck of Denis >>>> Gaultier, >> see >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Denis_Gaultier.jpg >>>> >>>> His instrument seems to be a big theorbo. Is it? Any other info of >>>> this very beautiful portrait? >>>> >>>> Arto > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
