Ah, that's the snell (not shell) knot. Yes, a staple, but I've only used it for fixing line to hard-wire hooks. However, it is very similar to most multi-twist fishing knots. For line-to-line connections of limp synthetics, try the blood knot or double-uni knot.
..But really, for musical instrument strings, I still prefer a string of uniform material passing over a well-lubed nut slot to any in-string, behind-nut knots whatsoever. E ----- Original Message ----- From: alexander <[email protected]> Date: Monday, January 2, 2012 11:18 am Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: ubricating Non-stretchy pegbox leaders. To: EUGENE BRAIG IV <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] > I hope i can post the link.... Separating the first "h" in > "http" for a spam assassins. The shell knot: > > h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zW6UIGTzGw > > Very much depends on the leader material, actually, how slippery > the leader or the core is. I think the nail knot works better > with a thin gut, and the shell knot - with synthetics. > There is a plethora of wrap-around kind of knots, a fun to > choose from. > > alexander r. > > On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:52:51 -0500 > EUGENE BRAIG IV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I'm not familiar with the "shell not" outside of neck ties. > Is this the knot you'd intended, Alexander? If not, can you > refer me to a diagram? > > > > The nail knot to which I'd referred really has a low profile > for line to line, and a bit of burned-end gut would be perfectly > suited to it. Have you ever used the nail knot in fixing > leader to instrument string? If so, how did that one work? > > > > Eugene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: alexander <[email protected]> > > Date: Monday, January 2, 2012 8:31 am > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: ubricating Non-stretchy pegbox leaders. > > To: Ron Andrico <[email protected]> > > Cc: [email protected], [email protected] > > > > > I lubricate instrument nuts for living. I did try graphite > (or > > > lead pencil) in the past, but for the last... well, 15 or > so, > > > years i use a good quality bees wax, just lifting the string > > > above the nut a bit and applying the wax on this little > > > bit of the string. Many advantages to the method, which you > > > could discover for yourselves, if tried. > > > I also tie leaders to the strings for living. With gut, you > > > could burn the end of the string to create a tiny ball (as > done > > > with the frets) and use some non-stretching, better braided > or > > > twisted material, it will less likely damage your pegs. It > > > should be thin enough for the knot to be portable, not to > > > interfere with the neighboring strings. A some sort of wrap- > > > around knot (shell knot is a good one) might be the best. > Yes it > > > will stabilize certain things, yes, possible. But boy, it > will > > > look ugly. On the lute...? Plus, there is a tremendous > chance > > > that these leaders will resonate to your notes in the most > > > unexpected ways and create some new and challenging tuning > > > problems. While the usual piece of string in the peg box is > > > still a good quality even round string, and if resonates, > still > > > harmoniously in some way, a tied leader will not so. > > > Alexander r. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:27:13 +0000 > > > Ron Andrico <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I have found it necessary to tie a 'leader' > > > onto unexpectedly shortened > > > > strings and finding that, surprisingly, it > > > does seem to stabilize > > > > tuning problems. I have always used well- > > > stretched bits of slightly > > > > thicker-gauged used gut or fret gut, since > > > it seems to find its point > > > > of stability in fairly short order. Of > > > course the knot makes a > > > > difference and it must be fast and not catch > > > on other strings or the > > > > tuning problem is exacerbated. Your > > > strings need to be well-ordered in > > > > the pegbox or the crisscrossing will result > > > in unauthorized > > > > intermingling and the catching of windings, > > > gimps or fibers. > > > > Lubricating the nut with a pencil is > > > probably the place to start > > > > tacking the problem though. > > > > RA > > > > > Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 00:49:15 -0600 > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: [LUTE] Non-stretchy pegbox leaders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We had a discussion similar to this three > > > years ago > > > > > (Dec 7 2008). However, I'd like to revisit > > > the subject with > > > > > my question rephrased to focus more > > > closely on my problem. > > > > > > > > > > Stretching of strings between the nut and > > > the peg is causing > > > > > me severe difficulty in tuning -- I can > > > turn the peg > > > > > 90 or 120 degrees with no response in the pitch. > > > > > > > > > > Lubricating the nut is of course a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > But I'd also like to try replacing the > > > portion of the string > > > > > between nut and peg with a leader of some > > > material which > > > > > (a) does not stretch, > > > > > (b) can be tied securely and easily to the > > > string,> > (c) will not slip on the peg, > > > > > (d) will not damage anything, > > > > > (e) is strong enough, and > > > > > (f) is readily available. > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have experience in this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list > > > information at > > > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute- > > > admin/index.html> > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
