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Dear Martyn,
The enlarged screenshot makes it pretty clear IMO that the word reads "et"
with a faded e-loop.
> Indeed I noticed the gallichon tuning, and wrote: "Interestingly one
> tuning on fol 6 is given as for the 'Calledono' which I presume refers
> to the gallichon thus once again showing an interchange in usage
> between the mandora and gallichon - though the tuning given is not one
> I recognise from other sources".
Hm, on fol. 6r I see a gavotte and a somewhat strange scale with wrong
pitch names (suppose its a tool for transposing from sight). And on fol. 6v
I see a Schmidt Courent. No charts on fol. 16, 26, 36, 46, 56, 66, 76, 86.
There are alfabeto and tuning instructions on fol. 96, but they are intended
for the guitar, and the tuning is not a new one but a different way of
tuning, i.e. in octaves and fifths (with a mistake in measure 1, as 1a + 3f
equals a major third).
On p. 24v seq, the headline that I can see reads Fundamentales Concentus in
Callizon, i.e. either chords in root position or basic chords on the
Callichon. Considering fol. 25r, I prefer the latter.
> Other
> than body shape, the big difference between the E tuned 5 course
> mandora and the guitar
There are quite a few sources which require mandoras with their 5th courses
in G (the Brescianello suites spring to mind). The headline on fol. 48v
seems to imply that the guitar and the mandora were considered different
instruments with identical tunings.
Mathias
> --- On Mon, 26/3/12, Mathias RAP:sel <
<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> From: Mathias RAP:sel < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tablature Mandore Guitare
> To: "'Lute Dmth'" < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]>
> Date: Monday, 26 March, 2012, 16:38
>
> > The tablature is for guitar or mandora (a 6th course is required
> on the
> > earlier folios). Folio 48r shows the tuning with a 6th course (at
> nominal G ie a tone
> > below the 5th course) so this certainly looks like mandora music.
> The
> intervals
> > between the highest five courses is identical on both instruments
> and
> most of
> > the pieces could be played on the 5 course guitar too.
> Did you note the instructions on fol. 24 seqq? They are obviously
> intended
> for the 5c calichon, tuned g - d - Bb - F - C.
> > In this context the heading on fol. 48v is very interesting
> 'Accordo
> > Chytarra A Mandora' aEUR" whatever this meant to the scribe.
> As I said, the headline reads: Accordo ChytarA| et MandorA|, meaning
> "tuning
> of the guitar and the mandora".
> Mathias
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> [1] <http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html>
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
> --
>
> References
>
> 1. <http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html>
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vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Dear
Martyn,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>The enlarged screenshot makes it pretty
clear IMO that the word reads "et" with a faded
e-loop.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><img width=1280
height=1024 id="Grafik_x0020_1" src="cid:[email protected]"><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
lang=EN-GB>> Indeed I noticed the gallichon tuning, and wrote:
"Interestingly one<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>
tuning on fol 6 is given as for the 'Calledono' which I presume refers</p><p
class=MsoPlainText>> to the gallichon thus once again showing an
interchange in usage</p><!
p class=MsoPlainText>> between the mandora and gallichon - though the
tuning given is not one</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I recognise from other
sources".</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Hm, on fol. 6r I see a gavotte and a
somewhat strange scale with ”wrong“ pitch names (suppose it’s
a tool for transposing from sight). And on fol. 6v I see a Schmidt Courent. No
charts on fol. 16, 26, 36, 46, 56, 66, 76, 86. There are alfabeto and tuning
instructions on fol. 96, but they are intended for the guitar, and the tuning
is not a new one but a different way of tuning, i.e. in octaves and fifths
(with a mistake in measure 1, as 1a + 3f equals a major
third).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
lang=EN-GB>On p. 24v seq, the headline that I can see reads
“Fundamentales Concentus in Callizon”, i.e. either !
220;chords in root position” or “basic chords̶!
1; on the Callichon. Considering fol. 25r, I prefer the
latter.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
lang=EN-GB>> </span>Other</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> than body
shape, the big difference between the E tuned 5 course</p><p
class=MsoPlainText>> mandora and the guitar<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
lang=EN-GB>There are quite a few sources which require mandoras with their
5<sup>th</sup> courses in G (the “Brescianello” suites spring to
mind). The headline on fol. 48v seems to imply that the guitar and the mandora
were considered different instruments with identical
tunings.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
lang=EN-GB>Mathias<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText!
><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
>style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
>class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span
>lang=FR>> --- On Mon, 26/3/12, Mathias RAP:sel <</span><a
>href="mailto:[email protected]";><span lang=FR
>style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>[email protected]</span></a><span
> lang=FR>><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> wrote:</p><p
>class=MsoPlainText>> </p><p class=MsoPlainText>> From: Mathias
>RAP:sel <<a href="mailto:[email protected]";><span
>style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>[email protected]</span></a>></p><p
> class=MsoPlainText>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tablature Mandore
>Guitare</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> To: "'Lute Dmth'" <<a
>href="mailto:[email protected]";><span
>style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>[email protected]</span></a>></p><p
> class=MsoPlainText>> !
Date: Monday, 26 March, 2012, 16:38</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <!
/p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > The tablature is for guitar or
mandora (a 6th course is required</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> on the</p><p
class=MsoPlainText>> > earlier folios). Folio 48r shows the tuning
with a 6th course (at</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> nominal G ie a
tone</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > below the 5th course) so this
certainly looks like mandora music.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> The</p><p
class=MsoPlainText>> intervals</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> >
between the highest five courses is identical on both instruments</p><p
class=MsoPlainText>> and</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> most of</p><p
class=MsoPlainText>> > the pieces could be played on the 5 course
guitar too.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Did you note the instructions on
fol. 24 seqq? They are obviously</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>
intended</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> for the 5c calichon, tuned g - d - Bb
- !
F - C.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > In this context the heading on
fol. 48v is very interesting</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 'Accordo</p><p
class=MsoPlainText>> > Chytarra A Mandora' aEUR" whatever this
meant to the scribe.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> As I said, the headline
reads: Accordo ChytarA| et MandorA|, meaning</p><p class=MsoPlainText>>
"tuning</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> of the guitar and the
mandora".</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Mathias</p><p
class=MsoPlainText>> To get on or off this list see list information
at</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> [1]<a
href="http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html";><span
style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html</span></a></p><p
class=MsoPlainText>> </p><p class=MsoPlainText>> --</p><p
class=MsoPlainText>> </p><p class=MsoPlainText>> References</p><p
class=MsoPlainText>> !
</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 1. <a href="http://www.cs.dartmouth.e!
du/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html"><span
style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html</span></a></p><p
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