It is on the 8th course. I have seen the practice of going with D on 7th, F on 8th, but I could never do that, as I predominantly play baroque lute, and inverting these 2 would be most treacherous, for me.
ed At 01:20 PM 5/2/2012, Miles Dempster wrote: >Hi Ed, > >On your 8-course do you have the D on the 7th or 8th course? > > >Miles > > >On 2012-05-02, at 2:05 PM, Edward Martin wrote: > > > Hi Sean, > > > > Actually, I do not have a 7-course lute at the moment, I use an > > 8-course for renaissance lute, as for the reasons cited. i did have > > a 7-course, which was converted to an 11-course, Frei. When I used > > it as a 7-course lute, I essentially had it strung with a string > > in-between the 2 tones... it was low tension for the D, high tension > > with the F. Using gimped strings on that, it worked OK, but i really > > like the 8 course, as one has access to both. > > > > English music seems to favor the D, where continental music seems to > > favor the F. > > > > ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:52 PM 5/2/2012, Sean Smith wrote: > > > >> If you haven't yet ordered a lute, I would consider an 8 course, > >> which > >> in my opinion is more versatile.A It even allows you to cheat and > >> play > >> 10 course music... > >> > >> Very true, Bruno, I loved exploring the Vallet and Ballard books for > >> years on my 8c, turning singers on to Airs de cours and knowing that > >> nearly all the English was, at least, doable w/out retuning something. > >> > >> That said, I've seen some lovely 7c instruments and they sound better > >> for resisting the extra course. Ed Martin's, for example, as well as > >> Jacob Herringman's 7c Gerle. The latter is interesting in that it > >> retains the earlier parabolic neck which, I think, would not support 8 > >> courses. If that is your route you're well set up to go to the 6c. > >> > >> Ed, I believe you have a gut bass w/ a metal filament on the 7th > >> course on that instrument. Could you weigh in on how it does re: > >> Joshua's question? I'm curious myself. > >> > >> Dalza expected lutes to accept a one-step scordatura and in one > >> 'suite' on the 5th course also. Could the extra half step really be > >> too much? > >> > >> But truthfully, Joshua, a 7c is a fine place to start and I applaud > >> your resolution. You'll work out the D/F situation one way or another. > >> > >> Sean > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> A > >> > >> A > >> > >> Bruno > >> > >> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Braig, Eugene <[1][email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> It's beginning to sound like an 8-course might actually better suit > >> your needs. A While short lived in period, they seem pretty > >> ubiquitous today. > >> Best, > >> Eugene > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [2][email protected] > >> [mailto:[3][email protected]] On Behalf Of Joshua Burkholder > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:40 AM > >> To: [4][email protected] > >> Subject: [LUTE] Re-tuning the diapason of a 7c > >> Dear lute-listers, > >> A question from a beginner: > >> First to introduce myself, my name is Joshua and I've been playing > >> the > >> lute for several months now; I have been on the list for a couple > >> weeks > >> and am really enjoying following your discussions. I have a rental > >> 7-course and I am now in the process of taking the plunge and > >> buying a > >> lute of my own. After much reading, pondering and agonizing over the > >> best number of courses to start with, I've come to the conclusion > >> that > >> a 7-course best suits my needs. So onto to my question: > >> I know that some people re-tune the 7th course from D to F as needed, > >> but on my rental lute this seems quite impossible. The diapason is > >> stung to F and if I drop it down to D it becomes far too wobbly and > >> flabby. From this I assume that if I were to restring it to D, which > >> I'd prefer on the whole, it would likewise be impossible to raise > >> it to > >> F. Currently the lute is strung with Pyramid strings so the basses > >> are > >> metal wound. Is it only possible to change from D to F on the same > >> string if one uses gut strings (Poulton remarks to this effect in her > >> tutor that if it's strung to be tuned at D "it will only be > >> possible to > >> raise it to F if gut strings are used")? Otherwise I have to re- string? > >> Or does someone use some other stringing solution, besides just > >> keeping > >> it D and fingering the third fret for F (or buying an 8-course > >> lute...)? I've read enough about stringing lutes to understand that > >> it > >> will be a while before I understand anything about stringing lutes... > >> Thank you for taking the time to help out a newcomer. > >> Best wishes, > >> Joshua > >> To get on or off this list see list information at > >> [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >> > >> -- > >> > >> A > >> > >> Bruno Cognyl-Fournier > >> > >> A > >> > >> [6]www.estavel.org > >> > >> A > >> > >> -- > >> > >> References > >> > >> 1. mailto:[email protected] > >> 2. mailto:[email protected] > >> 3. mailto:[email protected] > >> 4. mailto:[email protected] > >> 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >> 6. http://www.estavel.org/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Edward Martin > > 2817 East 2nd Street > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > > e-mail: [email protected] > > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name > > http://www.myspace.com/edslute > > http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin > > > > > > Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [email protected] voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin
