I find gut's overtone poverty sensuously insufferable as well. RT Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Anthony Hind <[email protected]> wrote: > I think there may be a sensual texture versus perfect intonation > perference that may draw some, while others shy away. However, that was > not the issue raised by Benjamin, but relative rather than absolute > pitch (I think). > Regards > Anthony > __________________________________________________________________ > > De : Roman Turovsky <[email protected]> > AEUR : JarosAA'aw Lipski <[email protected]> > Cc : "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > EnvoyA(c) le : Samedi 6 octobre 2012 21h14 > Objet : [LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics? > The beauty of gut sound is greatly compromised by gut's insufferable > intonation, especially on the octaved courses. > RT > Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:39 PM, JarosAA'aw Lipski <[1][email protected]> > wrote: >> Yes, varnishing helps, but doesn't totally stop a string absorbing > humidity. It rather protects from wear and tear.I tried them. They > sound duller, inferior to normal gut and are not historical strings. > This is what MP writes about them on his website: >> "Gut strings are varnished in order to protect the strings from wear > and tear. The varnishing of strings is not a historical process; the > earliest samples of varnished strings we have found only date back to > the 1920-30s. A varnished string has a somewhat duller sound and the > attack under the bow is slightly more difficult and liable to whistle". >> When I use gut I do it for it's beautifull sound, so the idea of > something that has neither advantages of synthetics nor gut doesn't > really suit me. >> >> All the best >> >> Jaroslaw >> >> >> WiadomoAA>Ae/= napisana przez Sam Chapman w dniu 6 paAA-o 2012, o > godz. 17:34: >> >>> Well, there's gut and there's varnished gut. The latter may not > have >>> been used historically, but it absorbs much less humidity from the > air >>> and sweat from the fingers, therefore staying in tune well, > maintaining >>> it's tone quality and lasting longer. That said, I've not had much >>> experience using varnished gut in concerts, but am now considering > it >>> as possibly a good compromise. It's certainly closer to plain gut > in >>> terms of feel and sound than any kind of synthetic string. > Benjamin, >>> what kind of gut do you use? >>> >>> best, >>> >>> Sam >>> On 6 October 2012 12:26, Jaros^3aw Lipski > <[1][2][email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> No, it isn't a new problem. This is what Mattheson writes (1727) >>> answering Baron in his book Ephorus, naming disadvantages of the >>> lute: >>> "Because of the many strings, and special strings (gut-strings) >>> which depend more on stable temperature and humidity than other >>> instruments (to stay in tune)." >>> We don't know how gut strings of the past differed from modern > ones, >>> but just one thing shouldn't be disregarded - gut absorbs > humidity >>> from the air, synthetics do not. Why synthetics go out of tune? >>> Because of the temperature differences and bigger elasticity. >>> From my experience I can only say that after changing a Nylgut >>> string it takes quite a lot of time before it can be used for a >>> concert, however then it stays in tune better than gut. But >>> obviously it is possible to play a concert on gut strings > providing >>> that it is not in a very humid place (or one with changing air >>> conditions). >>> I wouldn't mix gut with synthetics though, as each material goes >>> different way. So my advice is use either synthetics or gut >>> depending on your wallet's size :) >>> Best regards >>> Jaroslaw >>> WiadomoP:ae napisana przez Mark Probert w dniu 6 pa 1/4 2012, o >>> godz. 04:17: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Then, isn't there the old adage of lute players spending half their >>>> time tuning and the other half playing out of tune? This is not a >>> new >>>> problem, though I do believe that synthetics help. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mark. >>> >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> >>>> [2][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> -- >>> Sam Chapman >>> Oetlingerstrasse 65 >>> 4057 Basel >>> (0041) 79 530 39 91 >>> >>> -- >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:[4][email protected] >>> 2. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:[email protected] > 2. mailto:[email protected] > 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 4. mailto:[email protected] > 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
