Martyn,
The use of rolled chords, like so many things in early music
performance, has to be assigned to the "inconclusive" category. Lack of
evidence does not mean lack of practice. For example, the subject is
rarely mentioned in modern classical guitar methods even though it is a
ubiquitous. Rolling may just have been one of those things that was
done without comment.
Who knows? As always, our primary concern should not be with how
"informed" we are, but whether or not what we do enhances the music.
Chris
Christopher Wilke
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
www.christopherwilke.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]>
To: WALSH STUART <[email protected]>
Cc: lute <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 8:58 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Re/deconstructing Dowland; - and 'rolled' chords
Regarding 'rolled' chords also raised in this thread, these seem to
be
(too?) ubiquitous in this repertoire nowadays and early sources (ie
pre-17th century) don't generally describe the technique. Only when
we
get to the French 17th century lute with separe signs and the like is
the expectation for such fully upwards arpeggiated chords clear. Even
Barley, a perhaps unfairly maligned source, indicates a technique for
playing full 6 note chords or open 5 note chords not too far removed
from that described by later sources (including Mace and Burwell's
teacher as well as by continental instructions), in which the first
finger rakes upwards (ie towards the bass) to cover some of the
courses
whilst the second and third fingers strike the others. I would
suggest
this was more common than we often suppose nowadays and perhaps led
onto the later practice of playing the bass and simultaneously raking
up with the first finger - with the possible added sophistication of
restriking the highest course or two with the second finger - almost
the opposite of a modern 'rolled' chord.
Martyn
--- On Thu, 15/11/12, WALSH STUART <[1][email protected]> wrote:
From: WALSH STUART <[2][email protected]>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reconstructing Dowland; deconstructing Dowland
To: "David van Ooijen" <[3][email protected]>
Cc: "lute" <[4][email protected]>
Date: Thursday, 15 November, 2012, 23:01
Beautiful playing. I wouldn't have known this was a modern
reconstruction. But I don't know the music well and I haven't
listened
to Dowland in a long time and I don't try and play the music.
But I'm very, very surprised (and intrigued and amused) that it
needs
reconstruction, DIY or otherwise. Two questions:
a) where does this idea leave all the great performances of
Dowland
and
those CD compilations of the complete works? Lindberg, North.
O'Dette,
Chris Wilson etc. They simply didn't notice any fundamental
issues
with
the music?
b) is Dowland's music uniquely flawed? (needs extra parts, needs
cliched florid bits excised, need voice-leading corrected etc).
Dowland
is often posed as the pinnacle of Renaissance lute music. If
the
sources of his music is fundamentally compromised, where does
that
leave all the other lute music of the Renaissance? Does it all
need
a
bit of modern polishing into shape too?
(and how is a modern person somehow seeing through the sources to
what
Dowland would have wanted beyond the abundant evidence of what
people
at the time physically recorded in the tablatures?)
Stuart
On 15 November 2012 22:07, David van Ooijen
<[1][1][5][email protected]> wrote:
On 15 November 2012 22:12, WALSH STUART
<[2][2][6][email protected]>
wrote:
> Well, isn't anyone other than Dan going to reply to this? I
was
> expecting a huge response!
My (two but) latest CD is a response: two 'new' Dowland solos
`a
la
dt,
albeit reconstructed and played by DvO. ;-)
In other words: dt is right, DIY-Dowland is the way to go!
David
I even uploaded both arrangements to YouTube:
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[4][4][8]http://youtu.be/UcfQSeYUK_M
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