Yep! ;-)
Lex Op 29 jan 2013, om 21:40 heeft Rob MacKillop het volgende geschreven: > Now this will be piss me off right royally if you nutters start turning my > video into an excuse for ranting about what an effing guitar is! Just listen > to the damn thing, and keep your mouth shut. > > :-) > > Rob > > www.robmackillop.net > > On 29 Jan 2013, at 19:59, "Pieter Van Tichelen" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Stuart, >> Yes, the terms for plucked instruments are confusing all the time. Even >> this day - if you say guitar, some people think of the electric, other >> of the jazz, folk or even other instruments... However, I believe you >> mixed up something in my argument. The English guit(t)ar I simply >> mentioned as an example of confusing names for instruments - which >> point you clearly got. >> However, I'm not linking that (English) "guitar" but the cittern-type >> by the name "gittern" to the medieval gittern. If you're really >> interested, I might dig up my original article about it - where I link >> it to the Praetorius section of the "klein Englisch Zitterlein". Ward's >> book is a good starting point in any case, to trace it's first >> introduction to England in 1550 and later developments. >> Kind regards, >> Pieter >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> Van: "WALSH STUART" <[email protected]> >> Verzonden: dinsdag 29 januari 2013 20:35 >> Aan: "William Samson" <[email protected]> >> Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: 6c guittar >> On 29/01/2013 18:11, William Samson wrote: >>> What a gorgeous sound! >>> >>> Now are you SURE it's a 'guittar'? Not a Gittariglia? Or a >>> Kitherone? Or a Banjino Scotsese? Or a Mandolele Giorgio Formbyana? >>> Or a Strattolino Hankus B. Marviniensis?. . . >> I've just left a compliment to Rob on youtube. So, now, to get back to >> arguing. I think Pieter was hinting at an argument that the 'English >> guitar' (dunno how Rob how got himself to actually write those words >> out!) is a descendant of the medieval gittern. He (Pieter) might have >> been suggesting that even as late as the 18th century, the terms >> guitar, >> guittar, gittern etc etc etc for people in Britain didn't simply, or >> only, or even most naturally, mean the figure-of-eight thing. (The >> insistence, today, of the double tt spelling of 'guittar' rather than >> 'guitar' to somehow show that the English guitar isn't really a guitar, >> would, I think have baffled people at the time of its popularity.) >> Today we think it is so odd that 18th century Brits called the English >> guitar (a sort of cittern) a common guitar, a lesser guitar, a guitar, >> guittar (and quite a few other names).At the time, though, they might >> not have thought it so odd because they didn't have the concept that >> the >> only possible thing an instrument called a guitar, guittar, gittern etc >> etc must be the figure-of-eight, 'Spanish' guitar. >> It's arbitrary that we have settled on one spelling (in English) - >> "guitar", and one form, the figure-of-eight body type, from all the >> names in the past with which it stood on equal footing - guitern, >> gittern, guittar, gytron etc etc etc which might have meant at >> different >> times, lute-like things, cittern-like things and figure-of-eight >> thingies. So today, when we see the word 'guitar' we are apt to think >> the instrument 'must' be a figure-of-eight instrument (at the very >> least). But this can mislead us about the past. >> And this is what I understand R. Meucci to be saying about the Italian >> word, 'chitarra' (and variant spellings of it). >> Stuart >>> >>> Looking forward to hearing it in the flesh on Saturday at the >> Scottish >>> Lute and Early Guitar Society meeting! >>> >>> Bill >>> From: Rob MacKillop <[email protected]> >>> To: Lute <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2013, 17:37 >>> Subject: [LUTE] 6c guittar >>> Just to get us away from all the bickering... >>> [1][1]http://youtu.be/N3YaFJxWCXk >>> Rob >>> -- >>> References >>> 1. [2]http://youtu.be/N3YaFJxWCXk >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> -- >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. http://youtu.be/N3YaFJxWCXk >>> 2. http://youtu.be/N3YaFJxWCXk >>> 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> -- >> > >
