So true, Martin, that it's difficult to hold some notes as written or asterixed. I sometimes find myself refingering a few bits to keep things ringing better. Phalese's intabulations certainly 'evolve' over the publications and being others' in the first place I'm not sure to whom I should be beholden to to 'go by the book'.

It often helps to find the original chanson, madrigal or motet to be sure what's what. Thankfully more and more are appearing on IMSLP and other sites.

Sean





On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote:

Ooops, sorry Sean, meant to send this to the list:

Hi All,

Hold marks are found in many lute tablatures, often with the explanation that they are an indication to hold the finger on a note.

But you don't have to do too much experimentation to find that often it is impossible to hold the finger in that place and these marks were used to indicate voice-leading rather than fingering. Even in quite simple pieces, the fingers can't always literally keep the voices going, and the art of lute playing is to give the illusion of a full- voiced texture.

This is another example of how lute tablature is a score, a representation of a piece of music on one sheet of paper (try reading simultaneously from four partbooks and you'll see what I mean) rather than a simple set of instructions on how to place the fingers.

With best wishes to all for 2014,

Martin

On 03/01/2014 19:24, Sean Smith wrote:

Dear theoj89294,

It's my understanding that they represent instances of "let this note ring". In nearly all cases it helps the voice-leading in the polyphony or keeps a bass note going until the next chord change.

One finds this practice in many previous lute books (though not all), such as Antonio Rotta (a double-cross), and Simon Gintzler (asterix) - both from whom he borrowed heavily for his publications. DaCrema, on the other hand, not so much. SG's fantasies are labeled "Simon Sentler" and his intabulations are (typically for Phalese) unattributed. The major Josquin motet intabs in PP '52 are by Gintzler. Howard Mayer Brown's Printed Instrumental Music before 1600 is an immense help in sorting out many of those anonymous settings.

Sean



On Jan 3, 2014, at 9:50 AM, [email protected] wrote:

I was looking through Pierre Phalese, Hortus Musarum, 1552
(available online - search "Phalese Hortus IMSLP" )
Phalese puts an asterix (*) on the staff often sometimes multiple ones, and in very specific placement, and I realized these must be markings to 'stop' a string from sounding? I am very curious about this. Are there other examples of notations used in lute tab to stop strings? Does this suggest the sustain of lute strings back then might have been more robust than we may think? trj


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