The LSA has actually publishe 2 articles on Vallet recently - the one by Laudon Schuett mentioned below and

"The Brief Discours" of Nicolas Vallet, from the Secret of the Muses 1615-1618" by Michael Stover - LSA Quarterly Spring 2012. If any of you non-LSA membersd would like a copy email me.

Nancy


There was another article about Vallet's fingerings by Laudon Schuett published 
in the LSA Quarterly not so long ago. He reaches essentially the same 
conclusions as Sandman that Vallet chose fingerings primarily for their musical 
effect.

I'm curious about the origin of this article as well. On the one hand, judging from things Ralf 
mentioned, as well as the fact that the musical examples are simply photocopied from a modern 
edition and marked by hand, it looks like a student paper. However, the pagination (pp.129-140) and 
broad section title ("Baroque Lute Fingering") make it appear to be submission to an 
edited and published scholarly collection. (It also seems fairly independent and not part of a 
larger thesis or dissertation.) If it is part of a book, are there other articles on "Baroque 
Lute Fingering" or other lute performance issues in it?

Chris



Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
www.christopherwilke.com

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On Sun, 2/16/14, R. Mattes <[email protected]> wrote:

  Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Fingering (Vallet)
  To: "adS" <[email protected]>, "Lute net" <[email protected]>
  Date: Sunday, February 16, 2014, 9:36 AM
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 12:15:23 +0100,
  adS wrote
  > Dear lute-netters,
  >
  > has anybody out there read this article?
Only after you posted this link - thanks for doing so. > http://scholarship.claremont.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1112&context=ppr
  >
  > I wonder what others think about it.
Hmm - in what context was this published? I'd hate to be
  to critical with some poor student's homework.
There are quite a lot of rather problematic statements in
  this article
  and the kind of "colloquial writing style" introduces quite
  some
  imprecision. I.E. "Although not as commonly studied by
  scholars today
  as are fingerings in [...] violin music ...". Really?
  Somehow I seem
  to have missed the abundance of studies on 17th century
  violin
  fingerings.
After reading twice through the article the final conclusion
  it's
  still not obvious to me. That early baroque articulation is
  short?
  Isn't that pretty much well-established from keyboard
  fingerings already?
Looking at the author's example I cannot but wonder whether
  she plays
  lute herself. Using the same finger for two consecutive
  notes does
  produce a (slight) separation on keyboard instruments, but
  on lutes
  this might be rendered as a "glide" which can produce a
  rather smooth
  connection between the two notes. A lot of the examples
  assume that
  such glides are "breaks". N.B.: I'm not claiming that theses
  places
  where played legato, I just think that there is no
  technical
  reason/evidence for it. Would any lute player agree that the
  half-tone
  downward glide in example Seven, mss. 21-22 create a
  noticeable
  separation between c and b? Playing through the example even
  that
  change from mss. 25-26 (third finger on forth fret, fifth
  string ,
  than forth finger on third fret, second string) that looks
  so much
  like a "break" on paper sound extremely smooth - the right
  hand thumb
  just passes through from the fifth to the _open_ fourth
  string while
  the _open_ first string rings on. I think it would be
  actually rather
  technically demanding to play an audible break at that place
  (and it
  would involve _right_ hand articulation).
Example Eight raises another important question: to use
  fingering as an
  indication for a conscious choice of articulation the author
  would need to
  show that Vallet did choose the most fitting fingering from
  a selection of
  possible fingerings. But how else would you finger the last
  chord of
  mss. 25? As for the cadencial ornament in mss. 26 - I'd
  probably start that
  trill on the f, using the 4. finger already on that note, so
  there would be
  plenty of time to bring the 2. finger up on the e. (BTW: the
  fact that the
  author writes about a trill on e-flat seems to be another
  strong indication
  that the study was not created in close proximity to a
  lute-like instrument :-)
Example Ten: again - the claimed "break" in the bass voice
  would happen
  on a keyboard, but on a lute those rising fourths will sound
  perfectly legato
  (unless the performer _chooses_ to not play them legato!)
  and the vertical
  lines in the tablature even require a rather legato playing.
  Actually, any
  other fingering would create a rather annoying ringing forth
  in the bass.
The "conclusion" (read: the last short paragraph of the
  article):
   "Vallet's system of interpretive fingerings is remarkably
  simple,
   while being clear and precise" If there is such a system,
  the author
   has taken great care to hide it from us - which is too bad
  since we
   can't verify that it is simple, clear and precise. The
  examples provide
   look more like a "catch-of-the-day" collection. I would
  have expected
   alternative fingerings for all these examples that would
  haven shown that
   Vallet actually selected the one that fit best into his
  system.
Some things I think should have been mentioned but haven't:
  I find
  example Four rather interesting: I'd expect a break after
  the dotted
  c' in mss. 51, i.e. short c' with 4, than bflat with 4, than
  a with 2
  finger (read: I'd expect the dotted note to be played short
  while
  Vallet's choice of fingering makes it possible to play the
  dotted note
  full length. The shift the author marks can actually be
  played rather
  smooth.
Example Five: what about the first chord in this example?
  How would you
  play the ornament on the high b flat? And doesn't the
  tablature require
  the barre to be held until the end of the bar? Given the
  ornament on
  a flat mss. 30, first beat (pull from above, b flat with 4th
  finger) that
  "break" can actually be played rather smooth.
N.B: to be said again - I'm a big fan of "short" notes, I
  really think that
  a lot of lute music is played way to legato, ignoring pretty
  much all the
  historic evidence (but that's nothing new to the lute world,
  isn't it? :-)
  I just think that the methodological approach of this
  article is false. It
  starts with the premise that Vallet choose a
  bondage-and-discipline approach:
  i.e. "I'll use this fingering so you _have_ to articulate
  short" [1].
  But that's an approach only needed when players would play
  legato otherwise.
  If we assume that articulation was more or less the same for
  all (instrumental)
  music of that time then there would be no need for such a
  "forced articulation" -
  players would have played short because the liked it. Thus,
  a more fitting study
  would search for places where Vallet could pick a
  technically simpler fingering
  because there was no need for legato fingering.
Oh weh, way to long post ... Cheers, Ralf Mattes [1] after all, there is no problem using short articulation
  with "legato"
  fingerings.
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