Martyn,

    I agree that seicento pluckers often played "harmony below the bass." This 
is another way of saying that they recognized and used chord inversion even 
though musicians weren't "supposed" to be aware of root equivalency at the 
time. However, we know that guitarists certainly did with alfabeto, in which 
identical finger shapes resulted in harmonic units that would change position 
dependent upon the tuning used.
    Lute and theorbo players did as well. For example, in the songs with bass 
lines and written theorbo parts in Castaldi's "Capricci a due stromenti...", he 
often inverts chords to make the part idiomatic to the instrument. There's a 
passage in "Al mormorio" in which the bass line steps down, A-G-F#. In the 
written out thoerbo part, Castaldi harmonizes the A with a root position minor 
chord on the 6th course, but then unexpectedly places a root position D major 
chord UNDER the F#. Tellingly, he then omits the G because its role is to 
provide smooth voice leading between the A and F#. As Castaldi has an F natural 
8th course, his whole reason for introducing the change is to accommodate some 
type of harmony on the F#. He could have simply played a 6/3 chord on the F# by 
placing it in a upper octave, but this would have resulted in a thinner, less 
resonant sonority. It is extremely interesting to note, therefore, that he 
feels free to alter the chord
 position where needed to make the part more satisfying according to the 
resources of the instrument.
     This sort of practice must be what Caccini had in mind when he 
enigmatically stated in the preface to "Le nuove musiche" that, "I have made 
use of counterpoint only so that the parts would agree [on paper?]". He also 
says that an aria or solo madrigal performed in this manner, "will delight more 
than one which has all the art of counterpoint." In other words, the bass line 
may function in much the same way as the chords on a jazz lead sheet: as a 
generator of notes that a player may potentially re-arrange according to 
dramatic context or idiomatic needs of the instrument.

Chris




Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
www.christopherwilke.com

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On Tue, 2/25/14, Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]> wrote:

 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise
 To: "R. Mattes" <[email protected]>, "Monica Hall" <[email protected]>, 
"Lutelist" <[email protected]>
 Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2014, 4:52 AM
 
    Thank's for this.
    I can't actually see that inverted  7
 6 sequences dictate a non
    re-entrant tuning - the low tessitura one
 sometimes has is just part
    and parcel of the instrument. And I agree
 with the anonymous author of
    the Facebook article you mention who
 wote:
    ' ........in the second section of the
 example bars 3 and 4 show
    this. The 7 6 chain shown gets very low
 and dark, the 7 6 from 2nd to
    4th course would be v odd with a higher
 octave 2nd course.
    I  personally accept harmony below
 the bass with 2 reentrant strings as
    a pleasant sonority. the bass played with
 the thumb stretched out and
    the fingers v close to the bridge
 ameliorates the effect to me.
    Further, when realising accompaniments I
 do think there's a modern
    tendency to be overly concerned about
 considerations of part writing
    and of ensuring a particular line doesn't
 jump the octave. A concern
    not always shared by early players: some
 of the few intabulated
    realisations  we have don't often
 seem too bothered about jumping
    around or being focused on maintaining the
 integrity of an upper
    line. For example passages in Kapsberger's
 1612 'Libro Primo di
    Arie.....'   As I see it,
 the theorbo is principally an instrument for
    producing a bass with, where possible,
 straightforward harmony to
    accompany others. A good example of this
 is Corradi's 1616 'Le
    Stravagaze....' which generally exhibits
 simple block chords played
    with the bass with little or no
 independent contrapuntal lines.
    'Going up the neck' is necessary if one
 has a re-entrant tuning (single
    or double) and a high bass note which you
 wish to play at the notated
    octave together with some harmony (altho
 of course there's no
    prohibition on taking notes/sequences of
 notes an octave down).  For
    example, with a double re-entrant
 instrument in nominal A tuning: a d
    just above the bass clef must be taken on
 the fourth course (rather
    than the third) if one wishes to play some
 harmony above it (say a f#
    on the third or on the first course). With
 non re-entrant one could
    simply play the bass on the third course
 and the 3rd and, indeed, a 5th
    on the second and first
 respectively.  Hence why  'going up the neck'
    suggests a re-entrant tuning.
    MH
  
    __________________________________________________________________
 
    From: R. Mattes <[email protected]>
    To: Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]>;
 Monica Hall
    <[email protected]>;
 Lutelist <[email protected]>
    Sent: Monday, 24 February 2014, 17:23
    Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's
 continuo treatise
    On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:29:00 +0000 (GMT),
 Martyn Hodgson wrote
    > I don't have this work either - I
 think.......
    @Monica: are you by any chance refering
 to
    [1]https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.441553512620558.1073741827
    .253474818095096&type=1
    (Bartolotti continuo and solo similarities
 - from
    [2]https://www.facebook.com/Tiorba)?
    BTW, there's an image of page 52. or me
 this example works _much_
    better in a non-reentrant tuning (N.B: Ms.
 one has an error: the
    second chor should read dfbflat). Why
 would Bartolotti start thist
    example with horribly wrong conterpoint?
 In reentrant tuning the 7-6
    would transmogrify into a perfect fifth (f
 c) "resolving" to a forth
    (f bflat) [1]. To be followed by a chain
 of 2nd chords ... Yes, we all
    know that a 7-6 chain can be inverted
 (double counterpoint) into a 2-3
    chain but we also know this doesn't work
 with a third voice running a
    third above the bass (since the fith
 between this voice and the 7th
    would invert into a (false/wrong) forth.
 We know our counterpoint -
    Bartolotti didn't? This all does not
 happen with a non-reentrant
    tuning. The one problematic spot for a
 non-reentrant tuning is Ms.13 -
    here the 7th (e natural, second string)
 would resolve into a 6th (d,
    fifth string), a problem easily solveable
 by playing the resolution on
    the third string. That spot makes much
 more sense in an reentrant
    tuning (moving from an open string g in
 ms. 10 to same note fretted on
    the second string, third fret ms. 11).
    > And I'm not quite sure what you mean
 in the page 6-7 example. But
    > doesn't the use of higher positions
 suggest a re-entrant (single
    > or  double) tuning rather than
 the reverse, since it still allows
    > for some  harmony to be played
 above the bass line?
    No. Once you are an the highest string
 (string 3 for an reentrant
    tuning) the strings "above" will actually
 be below. That's exactly
    what would happen on page 52. Going up the
 neck is as common on a
    archlute as it is on a theorbo.
    Cheers, RalfD
    [1] Yeah, that's why the called him " ...
 without doubt the most
        skillful upon the theorbo".
 
    --
 
 References
 
    1. 
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.441553512620558.1073741827.253474818095096&type=1
    2. https://www.facebook.com/Tiorba
 
 
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