> > I understand what you mean but for instance in Bittner's book there is also a piece > with the name "Tombeau" > > In France this would be named Tombeau de Bittner. Just like Courante de Gaultier > for instance. > > I was only suggesting a possibility. Mesangeau could be the composer or he could > be the dedicatee.
That tombeau is lacking ANY name http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1&type=conc&lang=deu&conc=586 the difference being that the tombeau F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v seqq. does bear a name: "Tombeau de Mesangeau" which translates as "Mesangeau's [musical] tombstone". Which implies, if I'm not mistaken, that Mesangeau was the deceased person. As opposed to that, composers' names are given by the word "par", as I've often found. Not a native speaker here, but I'm under the impression that this would be usual way. The tombeau written by Mesangeau would be Tombeau par Mesangeau. The easy way to prove me wrong would be to find a tombeau that is headlined Tombeau de XY where XY is the name of the composer. Mathias > > > > Lex > > Op 21 apr 2014, om 12:11 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende geschreven: > > > >>> Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many > >> stylistic traits > >>> characteristic of him. > >>> I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone > >>> else has deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de > >>> Mesangeau might mean Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau for > >>> Mesangeau. If my suggestion is right, this tombeau would predate the one > composed by Ennemond Gaultier. > >>> Lex > >> > >> Would be funny, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was thinking that > >> tombeaux in the 17th century were composed for real deceased persons, > >> and not just like that as a stylistic exercise like in the 20th/21st centuries. > >> Unless it be clear for whom this tombeau was penned other than for > >> late Mesangeau, I'd assume it was written at the occasion of > >> Mesangeau's obituary by someone else. > >> > >> Mathias > >> > >> > >> > >>>>>> according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v > >>>>> http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image > >>>>> > >>>>> That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-) May > >>>>> be BY Mezangeau. > >>>> > >>>> That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot. > >> > >> > >> > >> To get on or off this list see list information at > >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > --
