I always understood bwv198 to be for two
mandora/collascione/gallicon/whateverthename/seeTelemann scores for a
good name and comparable use, but the obligato parts in Matthew and
John to be for b-lute. Makes sense when you look at the parts.
David
On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 at 21:22, Stephan Olbertz
<[1]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote:
Yes, so it should read
"the part was [very probable] not conceived for archlute but rather
[the baroque lute, or possibly even] the mandora [although we have
no evidence for the mandora to be used as an obbligato instrument in
Saxony]"
Regards
Stephan
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Howard Posner
Gesendet: Montag, 19. März 2018 20:39
Cc: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Betrachte meine Seel
The only evidence available about Leipzig in the early 1700s is that
the mandora/gallichon was the commonly used lute continuo
instrument. Bach's predecessor as thomaschule cantor, johann
kuhnau, asked the town council for money to buy a couple of them so
he wouldn't have to keep borrowing them. Somebody, probably mr.
Hodgson, has pointed out secondary sources that say the request was
granted, though the sources on which they rely aren't clear on the
point.
Is anyone aware of evidence for archlutes in 18th-century Saxony?
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> On Mar 19, 2018, at 12:07, Stephan Olbertz
<[5]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote:
>
> Ron,
>
> " the part was not conceived for
> archlute but rather the mandora or one of its namesakes"
>
> Do you have any evidence for this? (As I am sure Martyn would
ask...)
>
> Regards
> Stephan
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
> Auftrag von Ron Andrico
> Gesendet: Montag, 19. März 2018 19:15
> An: Eloy Cruz; [8]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Betrachte meine Seel
>
> Playing the bass along with Bach's figuration is a minor
challenge but
> it's entirely possible with a fingered F-sharp and E-natural.
As I am
> sure Martyn Hodgson will point out, the part was not conceived
for
> archlute but rather the mandora or one of its namesakes. I
understand
> that the Italian archlute as we know it was not likely to be
present in
> Bach's Germany.
>
> RA
>
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