Dear Roland, There are some trios for lute, violin and cello by Johann Kropfgans in Brussels, Bibliothèque Royale de Belgique Albert 1er, Ms. II. 4088.
Information about the manuscript is given by Wolfgang Boetticher, Handschriftlich Ãberlieferte Lauten- und Gitarrentabulaturen des 15. bis 18. Jahrhunderts, RISM Bvii (Munich: G. Henle Verlag, 1978), pp. 62-3. Incipits of the separate movements may be found on line at [1]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1&type=ms&ms=B-Br4088&lang=eng&in str=all&st=10 which you could use to see if any of it matches the music on the CD. Unfortunately I don't have a copy of Ms. II. 4088 sitting on my shelves here at home, although I do have copies of Ms. II. 4087 and Ms. II. 4089. They are faint xeroxes once owned by Diana Poulton, and sold off by Robert Spencer after her death. The xeroxes were in poor condition when I acquired them, and on one part of Ms. II. 4089, Robert Spencer has written, "illegible give away". As with other xeroxes owned by Diana Poulton, they are bound with a white plastic ring binder and given a thick paper cover in red or grey. It is interesting to see what she worked from, and although these documents would have been in better condition when she first had them, she would not have had the sort of detail we are used to now with computer images. Best wishes, Stewart. -----Original Message----- From: Roland Hayes Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 2:03 AM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: [LUTE] Re: Johann Kropfgans Apologies. I meant trio for lute violin and cello. r __________________________________________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Markus Lutz <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:11:22 PM To: [email protected]; Roland Hayes Subject: [LUTE] Re: Johann Kropfgans In one of the lexika of the end of the 18th or beginning of the 19th century there is a remark, that Johann Kropfgans wrote 32 lute trios, but I cannot say at the moment, in which one it is written. We only have some complete trios in Brusseles and in Berlin. In Brusseles there probably are some even written by himself. Best regards Markus Am 15.05.2018 um 23:43 schrieb Arthur Ness: > Hi Stephen, > > You got it ! ! ! > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > 12 Trios lute, violin à ¢cello in B-Br Ms II 4088. Also the Pichler > piece in Ms II 4087 (viii) according to Tim Crawford. > > Meyer, Christian. "Les Manuscrits De Luth Du Fonds FÃÃà ©tis (Bruxelles, > BibliothÃÃà ¨que Royale Albert Ier, Mss II 4086-4089)." Revue Belge De > Musicologie / Belgisch Tijdschrift Voor Muziekwetenschap, vol. 50, > 1996, pp. 197à ¢216. JSTOR, JSTOR, [1]www.jstor.org/stable/3687046. > > Also listed with complete titles in Boetticher's RISM VII inventory, > pp. 62-4. These were from the FÃÃà ©tis collection and may have been > acquired from the Breitkopf auction of 1832 (can't find my notes). The > catalogue is extremely rare, but is about 1 à ½ inches thick.*** > Breitkopf decided to empty their warehouse of outmoded music. What a > treasure!! Unique copies of some of the Bach lute pieces were among > the offering. > > Stephan Olbertz, "An Unknown Lute Piece in a Keyboard Manuscript with > Works by Wilhelm Friedemann Bach," JLSA 44 (2012): 1-22. > > ***Copy in the University Library, Amsterdam (NO Longer in the > Amsterdam public library). > Enjoy, Roland! > > > > Arthur Ness > > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephan Olbertz <[email protected]> > To: 'Lute Net' <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, May 15, 2018 4:24 pm > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Johann Kropfgans > Think of the galant lute trio like a piano trio... You get the idea ;-) > Best > Stephan > -----UrsprÃÃà ¼ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: lute-[2][email protected] [[3]mailto:[email protected]] > Im Auftrag von Stewart McCoy > Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2018 21:05 > An: Lute Net > Betreff: [LUTE] Johann Kropfgans > Dear Roland, > IÃÃà ¢à ¢à ¬à ¢à ¢m afraid I donÃÃà ¢à ¢à ¬à ¢à ¢t know about these trios by Johann > Kropfgans, but I > would very much like to know more about them. I see from a quick search > on the internet that Kropfgans wrote chamber music for the lute, violin > and cello, including one in C minor, but I see no evidence of lute > trios. It is possible that Lutz Kirchhof made his own lute trio > arrangements from those chamber music pieces, but IÃÃà ¢à ¢à ¬à ¢à ¢m only > guessing. > Hopefully youÃÃà ¢à ¢à ¬à ¢à ¢ll be able to find out more. > Best wishes, > Stewart. > From: [1]Roland Hayes > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:10 PM > To: [2]Wayne ; [3]Stewart McCoy > Cc: [4]lute net > Subject: Johann Kropfgans > He wrote 32 lute trios? What are the sources? I just heard one in c > minor w/ Lutz Kerchoff. Outstanding!! r > -- > References > 1. [4]mailto:[email protected] > 2. [5]mailto:[email protected] > 3. 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