On 04.03.2019 11:11, [email protected] wrote:
Dear all,
Gerle (Musica teusch, Nürnberg 1532) says explicitely: set the little
and ring fingers of the right hand on the belly, not on the rose but a
little behind it.
This refers to the first exercises/pieces with two voices only:
Nym den lautten kragen in die lincken handt vnd setz an der rechten handt
den kleyn finger/ Vnd den goldfinger auff die deck/ nit auff den
stern / ein wenig dar hindther...
However, regarding pieces with three voices he writes:
So folgen etliche stückleyn hernach mit dreyen stymen/die magstu auch lernen/
und mustu den mittel finger an der rechten handt zu der dritten stym gebrauchen.
which, of course, implies that the third finger does not rest on the belly.
Rainer
Kind regards
Bernd
Gesendet: Montag, 04. März 2019 um 09:01 Uhr
Von: "Martyn Hodgson" <[email protected]>
An: "Edward C. Yong" <[email protected]>, "Lisa Sass @muse"
<[email protected]>
Cc: "Lute List" <[email protected]>
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Caravaggio
There's no reason why the third finger should not be held on the belly
- rather than the more conventional fourth. Indeed, some historical
players (Kapsberger comes to mind) are recorded as only plucking with
the thumb, first and second fingers.
Further, it's not wholly unlikely that the painting shows a model who
may not have had much, if any, real instruction on how to play the
instrument - how many modern depictions of lutes (in ads etc) depict
unlikely postures which are accepted by the general public (eg a
current UK Building society TV ad) and even, amazingly, a print ad for
a manufacturer of thirteen course and other lutes being played in what
appears to be an unconventional manner
MH
On Saturday, 2 March 2019, 04:39:51 GMT, Lisa Sass @muse
<[email protected]> wrote:
You're welcome! Towards the end, he gets into finger position. Plus,
link to a followup article from ~2005 is at the very bottom.
Sent from my TRS-80
> On Mar 1, 2019, at 22:09, Edward C. Yong <[1][email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Thank you! This may well have been it!
>
>> On 2 Mar 2019, at 12:02 PM, Lisa Sass @muse
<[2][email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Was it David Van
>> Edwards? [1][3][1]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/month/jun99/month.htm
>>
>> ~Lisa Sass
>> Sent from my TRS-80
>> On Mar 1, 2019, at 21:47, Edward C. Yong
<[2][4][email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> over a decade ago, I recall attending one of the talks at the UK
Lute
>> Society's meetings where the speaker talked about paintings of lute
>> players, and said he felt a certain painting (Caravaggio?) was
likely a
>> fake on account of the positioning of the fingers. It was quite a
>> compelling argument at the time.
>> Does anyone recall who the talk was by and if a transcript is
>> available?
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Edward
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4. mailto:[email protected]
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7. mailto:[email protected]
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References
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3. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/month/jun99/month.htm
4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
5. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/month/jun99/month.htm
6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
7. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/month/jun99/month.htm
8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
