Apologies for top post but thank you Daniel, that's quite a bit to think 
about.
Roger
> Alternative motion to the LUV disincorporation motion.
>
> Following my previous post, and as promised here is a proposed
> alternative motion which I believe can bring long term benefit to LUV
> Members, and the Linux and Open Source Community in Australia.
>
>
> Motion:
>
> 1. LUV reaffirms the role of Linux Australia (LA) as the national peak
> body for all matters regarding Linux.
>
> 2. LUV, via its Committee, will explore ways to form a formal and
> durable affiliation or other form of relationship with Linux Australia that
>
> 2.1 recognises a future role for each organisation in their own right
> 2.2 aims to bring efficiencies in each others operations
> 2.3 aims to better coordinate joint actions towards the promotion of Linux
>
> 3. To facilitate this relationship, LUV will invite a representative of
> LA onto its Committee, and should LA accept this invitation, LUV
> undertakes to amend its constitution as necessary at the earliest
> opportunity so that a position for a LA representative is guaranteed on
> the Committee as Ordinary Member, for the duration of the period of
> affiliation or other form of relationship.
>
>
>
> The above motion is motivated by the debate on the proposed
> disincorporation of LUV motion that is intended to be put to a Members
> vote on 3 September. It is an alternative motion which in my opinion can
> bring long term benefits to LUV, LA and the Linux and FOSS community in
> Australia.
>
> This motion can bring all the positives aimed for in the
> disincorporation motion, without any of the negatives, while keeping LUV
> intact and safeguarding all the gains made over the years of existence.
>
> 1. above, is a self explicit statement of recognition of the role of LA.
>
> 2. is the core of the motion and aims at building a better relationship
> between LUV and LA with a view to delivering better outcomes to the
> Linux community
>
> 3. While this clause is not necessary, it however affirms the good faith
> that LUV places in making the relationship with LA work.
>
>
> There are benefits for BOTH LUV and LA if such a relationship can be
> built and sustained .
>
> Examples are:
>
> Efficiencies gains can be made for example in shared hosting and system
> administration arrangements.
>
> LA can gain more influence in the Linux and FOSS related activities in
> Victoria.
>
> By having a representative on LA on the LUV Committee, exchange of
> information and coordination between the 2 organisations is
> significantly improved.
>
> By encouraging jointly organised activities, LA gets better exposure in
> Victoria. Events can be labelled and promoted as being jointly organised
> by LUV and LA.
>
> This arrangement maintains access to Sponsorship and funding mechanism,
> such as the Victorian Gov. Multimedia funding or other sources which are
> only available to Victorian based entities, for activities organised by LUV.
>
>
> One other major advantage is that this arrangement does not lead to the
> situation where LA is burdened by its need to continuously administer
> and support a LUV-Subcommittee. Should LA’s agenda change, it has a lot
> more scope to reorganise itself without affecting the Sub-committee. It
> also offers a clear exit strategy whereby if a time is reached when this
> relation is deemed to have lost relevance or not be appropriate anymore,
> it is a simple matter for LUV to disaffiliate amicably, and each
> organisation parting their own way in their own directions. A
> sub-committee arrangement does not allow this.
>
> >From LA and LUV perspectives it provides both with a opportunity to
> demonstrate that they are able to enter and sustain a mature and
> effective partnership between 2 organisations. This may form a basis for
> other organisations wishing to form similar relationships with LA and
> LUV. Possible candidates could include for example other LUGS, OSIA
> (Open Source Industry Australia), Free Software Melbourne, New Zealand
> conterparts. Each organisation would be able to enter into a
> relationships that best suit their circumstances.
>
>
>
> The Insurance issue.
> (This is in response to a post on the mailing list)
>
> The issue at stake here is that of Volunteer Insurance cover. Volunteer
> Insurance provides cover for Volunteers if the are injured while
> involved as a Volunteer in an event organised by the organisation.
>
> There is evidently an issue of Volunteer management associated, whereby
> if properly managed, the risks can be greatly minimised. It should be
> noted that in all probability the insurance cover would apply when the
> Volunteer is injured if acting upon instructions given to him/her by LUV.
>
> To give an example, I would imagine, for example if a volunteer is asked
> to supervise a doorway at the back of a room where a speaker is giving a
> talk. And that volunteer wishing to better see the speaker climbs on a
> chair and falls down and breaks his/her ankle during the fall, its is
> not clear that the volunteer insurance cover will apply. But if the
> volunteer is assaulted by say an aggressive or intoxicated visitor, then
> it likely would apply.
>
> Its has also to be noted that Personal Liability insurance cover is
> usually provided by other mechanisms and that is distinct to Volunteer
> insurance.
>
>
> How can Volunteer Insurance Cover be provided.
>
> In entering into a formal relationship with LA, it will be aimed to make
> it part of the relationship that, when appropriate, the Volunteer
> Insurance from LA can indeed be made available by for example formally
> declaring the event as being a joint LA - LUV event, and whereby one of
> the contribution from LA would be to extend the insurance cover. Or as
> part of LA’s contribution, Volunteer management becomes the sole
> responsibility of LA.
>
> Infact this has already taken place in the past. During the Software
> Freedom Day event of 2010 held at the State Library of Victoria, LA’s
> volunteer insurance was made available to cover the volunteers.
>
>
>
> Affiliation relationships
>
> While an affiliation relationship is the one I am advocating in
> preference, I am however open to other forms, that saveguards LUV’s
> status as an independent entity.
>
> Affiliations are proven successful model of relationships. They exists
> in the sporting world for example, where by clubs are affiliated to a
> peak body representing their sport. They allow each organisation to
> focus on what they do best and allow for better coordinated actions to
> take place amongst them.
>
>
>
> I hope I have helped you decide on your vote.
>
>
> Cheers
> Daniel
>
>
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