I have to admit, this sounds very good.
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:04 PM, PCMan <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Andrej N. Gritsenko <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > PCMan have written on Tuesday, 26 March, at 10:42:
> >>Hello world,
> >>I just released PCManFM Qt file manager 0.1.0.
> >>The tarball is available for download here.
> >
> > I never looked into razor-qt before and I wasn't aware such DE even
> > exists but now that I looked into its site I've found out some conceptual
> > similarities with LXDE. And I've got some crazy idea. Since libfm/pcmanfm
> > has Qt port already and LXDE as whole has too few active developers, it
> > might be reasonable to join projects (razor-qt and LXDE), i.e. port to Qt
> > rest of LXDE components so LXDE will be based on Qt instead of GTK and
> > razor-qt will get few missing applications as well. It's a crazy idea, I
> > know, and may be even silly one, I just got that thought and decided to
> > write it out loud. :)
> > I never did comparizon on resourses consumption between pcmanfm GTK
> > and Qt versions though, it should be done somehow sometime. And if Qt is
> > more lightweight than GTK then... you know. :)
> > The only problem is that GTK is C but Qt is C++...
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Andriy.
>
> Thank you guys very much for the proposal. It's not crazy at all.
> The proposal is very practical. Actually, it's also what I'm thinking
> about now.
> As the lead developer and founder of a some what famous DE, it's
> really hard for me to say this. Even I personally found that using Qt
> is much more productive and I already tested razor-qt for a while, I
> felt that we should not abandon our LXDE users/supporters.
> Politically, we belongs to the Gtk+ camp and moving toward Qt will
> make some supporters disappointed. Technically, porting to Qt is much
> easier than it looks like.
> It only took me 1 - 2 months to port 90% of the functionality of pcmanfm
> to Qt.
> So porting all other LXDE components to Qt is applicable and practical.
> I've been evaluating razor-qt for months. I followed up the project
> regularly and joined their mailing list. It has very similar goals
> with us and its development is really rapid.
> After months it's nearly complete now and contains even much more stuff
> than us.
> The infrastructure and library APIs are also well designed.
> So personally I like razor-qt very much and admire their work.
> Resource usage is a little more than ours, but that's understandable
> because it has more features.
> Free software is all about choice, but too many choices is not always good.
> Diversity is nice, but having duplicated work with the only
> differences in GUI toolkits is non-sense. This only creates
> unnecessary divergence and waste precious man power.
> Since we have the same goals, merging the effort is reasonable.
> Though the future of Qt is uncertain (will Digia sell it someday?), it
> still has many supporters and ubuntu is moving toward Qt. Currently,
> Gnome 3 seems to be the only user of gtk+3. XFCE2 is using gtk2 and
> they're also suffering from the painful porting.
> Gtk2 seems to be lighter than Qt in some cases, but it's no longer
> true for gtk3.
> Besides, it's KDE that's bloat, not Qt. Compared with gtk+, Qt
> contains much more than just GUI widgets. It also offers xml parsers,
> database supports, network stuff, and even webkit support. With gtk+,
> you need to install many other libraries for these but with Qt they're
> built-in. That explains the bigger library size. So it's not really
> bloat.
>
> To sum up, if our developers and users are willing to joint the effort
> and help razor-qt instead of mirrors what they have with gtk+, I'm not
> against the idea.
> Instead of having two incomplete DEs, at least we can have a really good
> one.
> For those who get used to gtk+, learning C++ and Qt is much easier
> than learning GObject. I started porting pcmanfm to Qt immediately
> after reading the Qt tutorial and "hello world".
> Maybe a vote is needed for this issue?
> Comments are wanted, please.
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