Thanks for switching Petr!

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Petr Vanek <p...@yarpen.cz> wrote:
> hi all,
>
> I'd like to open a discussion about my observations of lxqt status. i
> use all-in-one repo hoping all us updated there.
>
> Good news:
>
>  - finally, I'm able to run the environment ;) testing it for one week
> (razor seems replaced for me now)
>
>  - all components (except session and desktop) seems stable and
> functional at least as in razor
>
>  - the desktop (pcmanfm-qt) component does not seem but definitely is
> much better and faster than razor's one!
>     - it allows to run 3rd party "widgets" like conky pretty integrated
> as well
>     - the startup feeling is much better = startup time

Yes, it's working great. Although on low-power machines I notice a
very serious startup lag (noticed it on Julien's VM). Worth looking
into.

>
> Bad news:
>  - there are still some glitches here and there, everywhere (empty tab
> in pcmanfm-qt desktop config, many instances of
> /usr/lib/menu-cache/menu-cached binary, ...)
>
>  - the session. I'm afraid we cannot release anything before "The Great
> Session Polishment". Yes, the session works internally. I'd say it works
> great for end user but it has real flaws in:
>
>     - configuration:
>
>         - the dialog (lxsession-edit) looks so gtk-ish ;)
>
>         - I cannot edit ENV variables (example:
> https://github.com/Razor-qt/razor-qt/wiki/OpenSSH-Askpass-Setup )
>
>         - I cannot edit which lxqt components should be started or
> disabled (again - comparing to razor-session)
>
>     - it goes with some apps predefined, unfortunately applications
> which I've never know I have installed (IBus - does anybody ever show
> its GUI to non-programmer?)
>
>     - lxsession-* binaries - it's almost impossible to find info what it
> does. Example:
>
> pvanek@stimpy:~/oss/lxqt/lxde-qt/pcmanfm-qt> lxsession-default-terminal -h
> Launching terminal manager
> pvanek@stimpy:~/oss/lxqt/lxde-qt/pcmanfm-qt> man lxsession-default-terminal
> No manual entry for lxsession-default-terminal

Yeah agreed. We exchanged a few words about it with Julien and PCMan.
All I know is I have some pretty serious issues with razor-session as
well (currently razor-session simply doesn't start anything on my
machine; I can't retest here though since I switched everything to
lxqt).
I honestly think development should be focused on a systemd-compatible
session manager first, aka whatever the devs currently are using in
majority.

>
>   - project infrastructure.
>         - At least bugtracker. It's almost impossible to track all
> github sub-trackers.

Yes. I've been filing everything in pcmanfm-qt's bugtracker to keep
things in one place, but maybe we should keep all the small ones
closed and open the bugtracker on the "meta" github repo. Either that
or have bugs.lxde.org set up with bugzilla or something, but that can
be done later. We can use github in the meantime as it's very little
setup.

>         - maybe it's time to stop using both mailing lists (lxde and
> razor) and start to use only one to reduce message load

Yes. And let's get lists.lxde.org is set up. I pinged about that two
days ago, what's the status? Once it's set up, announce it on razor
list and I'll update the readme on razor's github to mention lxqt.

>
>
> but anyway - I'm happy with it again.
> cheers,
> p.
>
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