On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Andrej N. Gritsenko <and...@rep.kiev.ua>wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Sérgio Marques has written on Monday, 30 December, at 17:34:
> >2013/12/30 Stephan Sokolow <gmane.ssoko...@spamgourmet.com>
>
> >> Keep it under Tools. That's the best place for it.
>
> All of HIG require that any menu should contain 3 items or more, and
> only exception is a Help menu. We got only 2 options for Tools:
> - Open Current Folder in Terminal
> - Find Files...
>
> And since 'Open Current Folder in Terminal' matches File menu very well,
> we got only one stray option under Tools menu, and that case (1 option)
> is denied, it's why we should move it to other menu.
>
> Also speaking of other file managers - Dolphin has built-in advanced
> search and it has it under Edit menu, it's why I think it might belong
> there. Neither Nautilus nor Thunar have any kind of advanced search.
>
> >Better choice than mine.
>
> >I agree with this one.
>
> >> In traditional applications, both "File" and "Edit" refer to the current
> >> document, which means that, in a file manager, "Edit" is expected to
> >> apply to the selected files and as a way to make Ctrl+F "find in current
> >> folder only" search discoverable via the GUI.
>
> >> (Which is why I think it's incredibly stupid of the GNOME devs to try to
> >> convince everyone to put application-wide Preferences there. They're
> >> letting the literal meaning of the menu's title blind them to the
> >> underlying concept which it's supposed to represent.)
>
> >> As for the File menu, that's for creating/opening/closing documents (in
> >> the case of a file manager, tabs, windows, or blank files). Putting a
> >> search function in there makes about as much sense as putting it under
> >> View because you want to "View" the results of your search or putting it
> >> under "Go" because you'll probably want to go to one of the results
> >> after you find it.
>
> >> If it's the sparseness of the Tools menu that you're concerned about,
> >> why not allow users to add custom entries to it?
>
> Well, you probably mean support for placing user-defined actions on
> the toolbar so you advice to have mirror of toolbar in the Tools menu. It
> might be OK if we already supported toolbar extension but we currently
> support only context menu, and toolbar wouldn't be available in 1.2 yet,
> we've placed a deadline for 1.2. So (at least for now) we have to put the
> 'Find Files...' into some other menu. I'm sorry.
>
> >> On 13-12-30 10:39 AM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
> >> > What do you think, where "Find Files..." belongs to - the File
> menu
> >> > or the Edit menu? Search usually is in Edit menu but search in pcmanfm
> >> > opens new window/tab with search results so probably it should be in
> the
> >> > File menu instead? I would like to know your opinions on that.
>
> With best regards.
> Andriy.
>
>
I forgot to tell you.
In my original plan, I'd like to add more tools under the Tools menu.
Due to limited time, I haven't do it.
Actually it's even possible to make the Tools menu extesible so people can
extend that menu with some config files, such as via the DES-EMA spec.
So, I strongly suggest keeping that menu and avoid moving menu items during
version upgrades.
There will be more than 3 items in the future.
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