I have been communicationg a bit with Uwe, and he has done some
probing into other cummunities for us (me).
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Hi
I hope you remember, I once asked you about the choice of an extension
language for lyx and you told me that siod is a candidate.
Since emacs/xemacs also has a split of C code and an extension
language I asked the maintainers of xemacs about their opinion.
I forward you here their respond, which I split in general
comments, links to software and links to discussion about this
subject. I hope you will find this useful.
Regards
Uwe Brauer
Software
python
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Consider a modern extension language designed for that purpose. My
preference is python http://www.python.org. Clean, powerful, simple, and very
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Uwe Brauer writes:
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> Thanks for the link. This I was looking for.
another link for you, something that michael also left out:
http://www.altera.gr/dsouflis/tinyscm.html
i have no hands-on experience in language embedding, but i read words
of appreciation about tinyscheme on comp.lang.scheme (you may ask
dejanews for the relevant threads)
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Uwe> I am writing so to speak as a mediator between the maintainer
Uwe> of the LyX program and the xemacs maintainers.
Uwe> 1. LyX is written in C++ (I don't know any details) and now
Uwe> the maintainer is looking for an extension language
Uwe> available as a library!
I think that `Guile' might be a good choice; they have it in mind to
make it be Emacs lisp compatible, it's a modern Scheme, it's got
_threads_, _objects_, _modules_, and is a _library_ made for
embedding. There is a partly working(?) compiler for it that
produces human readable C. It can perform dynamic linking to .so
library code. The .so can define a module namespace of its own. You
can find it via anon CVS, http, and ftp.
<URL:http://www.red-bean.com/guile/>
Please help it evolve!
`siod' has a way to dump a heap image you can put a she-bang line on
and run; Guile doesn't have that... There's a `tguile' (guile undump
or some such) that will dump, like emacs does. I've had it working
before; it improves start up time. It would be nice if it could save
state to a "band" like MIT-Scheme does, without exiting, so you could
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> 1. LyX is written in C++ (I don't know any details) and now the
> maintainer is looking for an extension language available as a
> library! The decision is not made yet but Siod another lisp
> dialect is considered very seriously.
Emacs Lisp is a very ancient Lisp dialect, you will not get any of the
people working seriosly with either emacsen to suggest that for new
projects. I know less of siod, but from what I hear it is a too
minimal Scheme implementation. I'd suggest to stay away from that as
well.
Instead I'd suggest Guile, it is a serious Scheme implementation, with
a lot of hype (and maybe even some support) behind it. There are also
other good Scheme implementations, and other good extension languages.
> 2. I am interested in this because the second step of LyX concerns
> internationalisation beyond iso-8859-1. So if xemacs-lisp would be a
> candidate for the LyX team, Mule could be chosen for the purpose of
> internationalisation.
MULE is another piece of legacy technology, which -- while useful --
it is very doubtful would be chosen as a base for internationalization
if we should start all over today. Use some form for
Unicode/ISO=A010646 based solution instead. I believe all the serious
extension languages have implemented -- or are in the process of
implementing -- i18n support based on that.
I'm not speaking on behalf of anybode, in particular not the XEmacs
team, but I don't think any of the above is controversial.
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>>>>> Uwe Brauer writes:
> Thanks for the link. This I was looking for. As I understood it
> Guile is not considered seriously, why?
You may be aware of this example already, but the spreadsheet siag can
use either guile or siod as an extension language. It runs
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I know that several people have written against using siod in such a
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> Uwe> Thanks for the link. This I was looking for. As I understood it
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> The thing that never ceases to amaze me is that, even though Guile
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>>>>> "Uwe" =3D=3D Uwe Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Uwe> Since Guile was also recommended by for example Karl M. Hegbloom,=20=
Uwe> I would like to add the following questions:
Uwe> 1. Is it likely that Gnuemacs and/or Xemacs will substitute emacs =
lisp
Uwe> by guile? Given the fact that RMS is involved in the Guile rpoj=
ect
Uwe> I think it is not improbable for gnuemacs, what then about Xema=
cs?
Uwe> 2. What is about standard ANSI Lisp? Eric Naggum I think was
Uwe> proposing this for a while.
There has been very extensive discussion about this on the list. A
(subjective) synopsis is at
http://www-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/users/sperber/xemacs/next-gen=
eration/language.html
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Cheers =3D8-} Chipsy
Friede, V=F6lkerverst=E4ndigung und =FCberhaupt blabla
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