On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 10:43:45AM +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 08:05 +0200 schrieb Daniel: > > It seems to be a rather universally accepted UI rule that menu items > > should not be hidden. Feel free to can check your favorite apps or > > search the recommendation on the web. (There is also the more extreme > > recommendations to not even disable menu entries but I think it is > > generally agreed that this is a bad idea because it leaves the user > > clicking in vain.) > > Don't like it since > > 1.) we will end up in overcrowded menus full of disabled entries. Too > long for sure in some cases > > 2.) we will run out of accelerators. We currently can provide > accelerators in the insert and edit menus only since we only show > active items. > > I know you don't care about accelerators as they seem to be not common > on Mac OS. However, I find them a key element of accessibility and much > more important that some sort of user didactic by showing which > functions there might be. I also don't see what users gain if they see > a disabled function as long as they don't learn when and how it is > enabled.
I have mixed opinions. If we don't include the disabled items, perhaps we can agree on a guideline for which items to include when disabled and which not. This way we can try to at least be consistent. It might be helpful to have a few "use cases" to discuss. For example, "Document" > Cancel Export is included only when an export is present. Scott
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