Thank you for a wonderful story of Art Education in America. At San Francisco State the dope smokers were to be found on the roof of the Art Bldg. There were drinkers there too. In all weather. It was a lot of fun. We made movies of it. We photographed it. It was so much fun. The increasing social chaos as people began to destroy property on campus in solidarity with Vietnam just upped the ante. I was on the student body court. We reviewed all proposed disciplinary actions. If they were involved in trashing the bookstore or similar; they were out! It was a wonderful time to be there. Soon after I left, there were National Guard on campus. Art education there was good. Bud McKee, Mel Henderson, Jack Wellpot, Judy Dater, I pretty much designed my own program. I went very far away from the usual path. Into archeology and linguistics; biology and the physiology of vision. Bud signed off on equivalencies. I could roam the best the campus had to offer and get credit toward my Art degree. And people in the department were as interactive as I chose. All open to one on one contact. By the time I had gotten there I knew what my interests are and they gave me room to explore and grow in my intentions and skills. It was the perfect place for me at that time. G. --- John Chiaromonte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I was at Sacramento State I took a class from > Jim Nutt. I loved his work and was excited to be > taking a drawing class with him... the first day all > of use were sitting in the studio waiting for Jim to > come in and "teach".... none of us it seemed know > what he looked like... after about 15 minutes of > just waiting one of the "students" got up and simply > said "draw"... he had a basketball under his arm and > left the room to play basketball... This went on for > a couple of weeks... one day I followed him out of > the room and he went into the mens room... I stood > at the urinal next to him and simply told him I took > the class because I wanted to work with him... after > that he stayed in the class and worked with each of > us... turned out he was just shy and didn't interact > well with groups of students.... > > I also took several class with Bill Allan... I > remember it was a graduate level critique class and > he told us to either bring a bottle of good wine or > a six pack of beer... we sat around looking at each > others work and got drunk.... > > John > > guido bondioli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Dragonfly Dream <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Diebenkorn > > > > > I had many meetings with Diebenkorn in the 60/61 > school year at California School of Fine Arts, 800 > Chestnut. SF, CA. I had a good time. I knew right > away > that there was little serious going on there. > > Diebenkorn insisted that he didn't know about art: > "Perhaps I don't know about art." That was the only > thing I ever heard him utter in many critiques I > attended. He looked! He looked and pulled at his > GIANT > eyebrows and then that one line, and he would leave. > It was unbelievably expensive; that one line. Some > teacher I had busted my ass to study with. > It reminds me Of Neri's inconclusive references to > this junk and that junk, comparing all the results > from a particular exercise. It was all junk as he > expressed himself. > A line I got from Bischof; Its just right to go back > into. What a great line. I use it often. He used it > because he was often speechless. Words seemed to > flee > from him as wild horses running over the dunes. I > use > the line because I see the contrast spread is thin > and > the shape structures are all the same and there is > unclear overlap in the spacial array. Or worse, > mixed > motives in the marking patterns. OH! It looks just > right to go back into. And then do a diversion into > some boring story about my student contact with > Bischof. > > Diebenkorn seemed least informed and least > articulate > of all. The blessing in the interaction is knowing > that Art Stars are stars for something other than > what > they know about making an artifact. In a way all > artifacts are equal. I happen to like those that are > full of visual cues. I couldn't find out about > visual > cues from the people at CSFA. Diebenkorn added his > prestige to the murkiness and opacity of the whole > educational process. > > __________________________________________________________ > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > > Check me out! > > --------------------------------- > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email > wherever you're surfing. ___________________________________________________________________________________ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html
