Hello Daniela, The Type2Phone app was mainly for pasting in text from app on the Mac. I notice that since I originally tested the app (at the end of December), Type2Phone has updated from version 1.2 to 1.3.1. At the time that I was using Snow Leopard on a MacBook Pro, and could make the app navigate with my keystrokes if I turned VoiceOver off. When I tested it just now (after an upgrade to Lion, and using the latest version, on a MacBook Air) my keyboard controls behaved very differently, and rather oddly.
For example, previously I had been able to use VO-Space as well as QuickNav. Well, when I was in the edit field of a document, with VoiceOver turned off on the Mac, I tried to turn QuickNav on from within an editable document text area. Initially the left and right arrow keys didn't turn this on, but Command+Right arrow did, and VoiceOver said "QuickNav on". Then, I could navigate with the QuickNav arrow keys, but not with Control-Option-Right or Left arrow (i.e., VO-Left arrow and VO-Right arrow), even with QuickNav turned off. This used to work, along with VO-Space, when I turned VoiceOver off, although it was not as stable as in iKeyboard. However, once I took focus away from the text area (by using gestures on the touch screen), I could navigate back to the home screen and start my music playing, and skip to the next song and control volume with the media access F-keys. I could also launch other apps. This feels as though the keyboard is not being correctly mapped, since the behavior is inconsistent. Another time, trying to press VO-H (Control-Option-H) to return to the home screen from within the text area started deleting characters. Ignoring the Option, key, pressing Control-H was sending the character delete sequence, as in some unix and linux connections. At one point, when I was pressing the Up and Down arrow keys (in QuickNav mode, as I thought), I ended up cycling through my different input language keyboards. I think one of the issues may be that I have a lot of different input language keyboards on my iPhone and on my Mac. The Type2Phone program always works correctly when I am typing straight text, but when I use VoiceOver's keyboard control, I may have started in an input language keyboard other than US English (which is what my Mac uses by default). I tried setting the language in the rotor by gesture, and at one point simultaneously pressing the up and down arrow keys started cycling me through the different input language keyboards on my iPhone. Sorry for the rambling account. The bottom line is that the text input exchange between Mac apps and iOS device works fine with Type2Phone. You do need to disable the Mission Control keyboard shortcuts here, too, if you want to use all the editing navigation shortcuts and media player controls. The VoiceOver navigation control seems quirky, but this may depend on the keyboard identification being used by the app. I don't know whether the current MacBook Air keyboard (which lacks an eject key, for the first time) is not getting its other control keys correctly identified, or whether starting with a different input language keyboard through VoiceOver selection on the iPhone is causing a conflict of definitions. This probably can be made to work with VoiceOver with some feedback to the developer. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Feb 26, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Daniela Rubio wrote: > Hello: > Thank you so much for the tip on Type2Phone. I just got it and it is great! > The only thing is that I can't use Voiceover commands on my iPhone, it > doesn't seems to recognize them. When I type text with my mac, it appears on > my iPhone, but if I do vo wright arrow, vo Left arrow or vo space, it won't > to anything, even with voiceover turned off on my Mac. Any ideas? > Thank you so much! > > SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T. > MACNETICOS, APPLE Y ACCESIBILIDAD A TU ALCANCE. > EN TWITTER: @macneticos > NUESTRO BLOG EN: > www.macneticus.blogspot.com > Y EL PODCAST EN:` > http://macneticos.libsyn.com > > > > El 27/02/2012, a las 03:14, Esther escribió: > >> Hi Jane, >> >> If you want a configuration that will work most closely like a paired Apple >> Wireless Keyboard for the iPhone, then iKeyboard ($9.99 from the Mac App >> Store) is the one that will let you type on your computer keyboard the same >> way. You have to turn VoiceOver off for your computer with Command-F5 after >> pairing your device through Bluetooth. At that point, the keystrokes you >> press on the keyboard act on the iOS device, which in your case would be the >> iPad. Using QuickNav navigation or VO-Right arrow or Left arrow moves you >> through your controls, and using VO-Space or simultaneously pressing the Up >> and Down arrow keys will press buttons and activate links, etc. The one >> addition I would make to last December's discussion is a recommendation for >> Lion users that you disable all the shortcuts associated with the Mission >> Control shortcuts category in the Keyboard Shortcuts tab of System >> Preferences > Keyboard so that all normal keyboard shortcuts for iOS devices >> are available to you. Otherwise, it can be puzzling when a some sequences >> don't work, and end up having launched Mission Control options on your Mac, >> when you return to it. More details about that below. >> >> The Type2Phone app ($4.99) gives me some different functionality. I don't >> turn VoiceOver off to use it, but I can Command-tab to another application >> on my Mac, copy text to my clipboard, then paste the text I copied from that >> app on my Mac into a mail message, or text field of a note app on my iOS >> device with Command-V. With iKeyboard, the clipboards of the Mac and iOS >> device remain separate, at least as of the current version. I tried keyboard >> navigation with Type2Phone, and could do it with VoiceOver turned off, but >> it was less robust. (Type2Phone got started later than iKeyboard; the >> evidence is that iKeyboard went through similar issues before maturing. Also >> more language keyboards are currently supported by iKeyboard, though again >> that appears to reflect the earlier start, as Type2Phone has been adding >> more keyboards in recent versions.) >> >> There are a few other comments, and maybe Ed, Justin, or others who have >> iKeyboard can weigh in. At the time I reviewed these apps I was running >> Snow Leopard. Mission Control in Lion has some shortcut keys that conflict >> with the key navigation shortcuts you'd use with your iOS device. I ended >> up going into System Preferences > Keyboard then going to the "Keyboard >> Shortcuts" tab and selecting the "Mission Control" in table of "Shortcut >> Categories". Then I unchecked all the boxes in the second table of >> "Keyboard Shortcuts". >> >> If I use the default setup for Lion without disabling these shortcuts, >> Control-Up Arrow launches Mission Control or takes me out of it, and >> Control-Down Arrow shows the Desktop. Pressing F10 brings up a screen of >> application windows. I have to ask whether any VoiceOver users in Lion use >> these features. It's possible to navigate through the Mission Control >> Exposéd windows -- unlike Exposé under Leopard and Snow Leopard -- and it's >> also possible to navigate through all the application windows, but still not >> really useful to a VO user, I think, compared to using Command-tab. >> >> So what happens is that if I don't disable these shortcuts, when I want to >> quickly navigate to the dock by using Control-Down Arrow or to the first >> element on the screen with Control-Up Arrow, nothing at all happens, and >> because VoiceOver on my Mac is toggled off, I can't find out what happens >> until I press Command-F5, since the "whoosh" sounds that indicate I've been >> moved to Mission Control of my Desktop don't get played. That's also true >> for pressing F10 to mute a playing track -- if the shortcut assignment to >> bring up Application Windows is not unchecked, nothing happens, and on my >> Mac there are now these Application windows launched. Similarly, if I have >> started music playing on my iPhone or iPad, pressing F12 only increases my >> volume if the key assignment to Dashboard is unchecked. So I just uncheck >> all these boxes in the table of shortcuts for "Mission Control" under my >> System Preferences > Keyboard window in the Keyboard Shortcuts tab. >> >> If you use Command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver on your Mac, you lose the ability >> to navigate or type on your iOS device. You also won't be able to enter >> text with the virtual keyboard, as long as the Bluetooth connection with >> your Mac through an active iKeyboard app is maintained, unless you first >> press the F5 key to toggle on/off the virtual keyboard. >> >> There are a bunch of pre-defined F-key functions that resemble what's >> available with the iPad Keyboard Dock. You can check these out by putting >> your "paired" iKeyboard into VoiceOver's keyboard help mode with VO-K. (I >> mean Control-Option-K, here, in the usual shorthand). I'll paste in the >> list from the App description, and just note that if you have checked the >> box on the "Keyboards" tab on the "Keyboard" Menu of System Preferences for >> "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys", all the F-keys work >> directly without "FN" prefixes. If you've disabled the Mission Control >> keyboard shortcut definitions, then all your media function keys will work, >> too. F2 only affects you if you have multiple input language keyboards. >> Then, pressing F2 switches you to the next input keyboard, just like >> pressing Command-space does. Finally, I'll note that just as on the iPad >> Keyboard Dock, the escape key acts like a "Home" button. That means you can >> double click it to get to the App Switcher or triple click it to turn >> VoiceOver on and off. Pretty neat, since that isn't a function of the Apple >> Wireless Keyboard. Pasted in shortcut list of F-keys follows (without >> editing to remove the "FN" prefixes). >> >> ESC: Home button >> FN+F1 : Search button >> FN+F2 : Input method selection >> FN+F3 : Apple Logo >> FN+F4 : iPad slide show >> FN+F5 : Show/hide virtual keyboard >> FN+F6 : Lock button >> FN+F7 : Previous song >> FN+F8 : Play/Stop >> FN+F9 : Next song >> FN+F10: Mute >> FN+F11: Volume down >> FN+F12: Volume up >> >> Finally, I'll just mention that if you switch VoiceOver on again with >> Command-F5, you're placed in iKeyboard's interface, which is an extended >> keyboard. If you navigate with your arrow keys you'll find this is a full >> keyboard layout, with the "Fn" key in a six-pack of controls, and with a >> separate numeric keypad. The functions of the F-keys in the top row aren't >> announced. In fact, the set that are normally associated with a laptop >> keyboard are all announced as "unchecked checkbox", and unless you have >> hints turned on, you won't hear them as F1, F2, etc. >> >> HTH. I've spent more time playing around with Lion than trying these >> functions out. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Feb 26, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Jane wrote: >> >>> I read back in December about a couple of apps, iKeyboard and Type2Phone >>> that let you type to your iPad or iPod or iPhone using the Mac's keyboard >>> through bluetooth. >>> >>> I can't seem to figure out which would be best, and I don't want to spend >>> money if neither will do what I want. >>> >>> I want to be able to type using the keyboard. I also want to be able to >>> double-tap on buttons and do other bluetooth keyboard shortcuts. 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