Thank you very much Esther: I really find out that the Type2Phone App works good for exactly that, pasting text from the mac to the iPhone. I also disabled the mission controls on Lion from system preferences and it is possible to control media in a good way. Let's see if the key making works better in other ersions, I will try to contact the developer and see if it can work OK with voiceover, because it seems to be a good App. Thank you very much for the tips! Take care SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T. MACNETICOS, APPLE Y ACCESIBILIDAD A TU ALCANCE. EN TWITTER: @macneticos NUESTRO BLOG EN: www.macneticus.blogspot.com Y EL PODCAST EN:` http://macneticos.libsyn.com
El 27/02/2012, a las 23:02, Esther escribió: > Hello Daniela, > > The Type2Phone app was mainly for pasting in text from app on the Mac. I > notice that since I originally tested the app (at the end of December), > Type2Phone has updated from version 1.2 to 1.3.1. At the time that I was > using Snow Leopard on a MacBook Pro, and could make the app navigate with my > keystrokes if I turned VoiceOver off. When I tested it just now (after an > upgrade to Lion, and using the latest version, on a MacBook Air) my keyboard > controls behaved very differently, and rather oddly. > > For example, previously I had been able to use VO-Space as well as QuickNav. > Well, when I was in the edit field of a document, with VoiceOver turned off > on the Mac, I tried to turn QuickNav on from within an editable document text > area. Initially the left and right arrow keys didn't turn this on, but > Command+Right arrow did, and VoiceOver said "QuickNav on". Then, I could > navigate with the QuickNav arrow keys, but not with Control-Option-Right or > Left arrow (i.e., VO-Left arrow and VO-Right arrow), even with QuickNav > turned off. This used to work, along with VO-Space, when I turned VoiceOver > off, although it was not as stable as in iKeyboard. However, once I took > focus away from the text area (by using gestures on the touch screen), I > could navigate back to the home screen and start my music playing, and skip > to the next song and control volume with the media access F-keys. I could > also launch other apps. > > This feels as though the keyboard is not being correctly mapped, since the > behavior is inconsistent. Another time, trying to press VO-H > (Control-Option-H) to return to the home screen from within the text area > started deleting characters. Ignoring the Option, key, pressing Control-H > was sending the character delete sequence, as in some unix and linux > connections. > > At one point, when I was pressing the Up and Down arrow keys (in QuickNav > mode, as I thought), I ended up cycling through my different input language > keyboards. > > I think one of the issues may be that I have a lot of different input > language keyboards on my iPhone and on my Mac. The Type2Phone program always > works correctly when I am typing straight text, but when I use VoiceOver's > keyboard control, I may have started in an input language keyboard other than > US English (which is what my Mac uses by default). I tried setting the > language in the rotor by gesture, and at one point simultaneously pressing > the up and down arrow keys started cycling me through the different input > language keyboards on my iPhone. > > Sorry for the rambling account. The bottom line is that the text input > exchange between Mac apps and iOS device works fine with Type2Phone. You do > need to disable the Mission Control keyboard shortcuts here, too, if you want > to use all the editing navigation shortcuts and media player controls. The > VoiceOver navigation control seems quirky, but this may depend on the > keyboard identification being used by the app. I don't know whether the > current MacBook Air keyboard (which lacks an eject key, for the first time) > is not getting its other control keys correctly identified, or whether > starting with a different input language keyboard through VoiceOver selection > on the iPhone is causing a conflict of definitions. This probably can be > made to work with VoiceOver with some feedback to the developer. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Feb 26, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Daniela Rubio wrote: > >> Hello: >> Thank you so much for the tip on Type2Phone. I just got it and it is great! >> The only thing is that I can't use Voiceover commands on my iPhone, it >> doesn't seems to recognize them. When I type text with my mac, it appears on >> my iPhone, but if I do vo wright arrow, vo Left arrow or vo space, it won't >> to anything, even with voiceover turned off on my Mac. Any ideas? >> Thank you so much! >> >> SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T. >> MACNETICOS, APPLE Y ACCESIBILIDAD A TU ALCANCE. >> EN TWITTER: @macneticos >> NUESTRO BLOG EN: >> www.macneticus.blogspot.com >> Y EL PODCAST EN:` >> http://macneticos.libsyn.com >> >> >> >> El 27/02/2012, a las 03:14, Esther escribió: >> >>> Hi Jane, >>> >>> If you want a configuration that will work most closely like a paired Apple >>> Wireless Keyboard for the iPhone, then iKeyboard ($9.99 from the Mac App >>> Store) is the one that will let you type on your computer keyboard the same >>> way. You have to turn VoiceOver off for your computer with Command-F5 >>> after pairing your device through Bluetooth. At that point, the keystrokes >>> you press on the keyboard act on the iOS device, which in your case would >>> be the iPad. Using QuickNav navigation or VO-Right arrow or Left arrow >>> moves you through your controls, and using VO-Space or simultaneously >>> pressing the Up and Down arrow keys will press buttons and activate links, >>> etc. The one addition I would make to last December's discussion is a >>> recommendation for Lion users that you disable all the shortcuts associated >>> with the Mission Control shortcuts category in the Keyboard Shortcuts tab >>> of System Preferences > Keyboard so that all normal keyboard shortcuts for >>> iOS devices are available to you. Otherwise, it can be puzzling when a >>> some sequences don't work, and end up having launched Mission Control >>> options on your Mac, when you return to it. More details about that below. >>> >>> The Type2Phone app ($4.99) gives me some different functionality. I don't >>> turn VoiceOver off to use it, but I can Command-tab to another application >>> on my Mac, copy text to my clipboard, then paste the text I copied from >>> that app on my Mac into a mail message, or text field of a note app on my >>> iOS device with Command-V. With iKeyboard, the clipboards of the Mac and >>> iOS device remain separate, at least as of the current version. I tried >>> keyboard navigation with Type2Phone, and could do it with VoiceOver turned >>> off, but it was less robust. (Type2Phone got started later than iKeyboard; >>> the evidence is that iKeyboard went through similar issues before maturing. >>> Also more language keyboards are currently supported by iKeyboard, though >>> again that appears to reflect the earlier start, as Type2Phone has been >>> adding more keyboards in recent versions.) >>> >>> There are a few other comments, and maybe Ed, Justin, or others who have >>> iKeyboard can weigh in. At the time I reviewed these apps I was running >>> Snow Leopard. Mission Control in Lion has some shortcut keys that conflict >>> with the key navigation shortcuts you'd use with your iOS device. I ended >>> up going into System Preferences > Keyboard then going to the "Keyboard >>> Shortcuts" tab and selecting the "Mission Control" in table of "Shortcut >>> Categories". Then I unchecked all the boxes in the second table of >>> "Keyboard Shortcuts". >>> >>> If I use the default setup for Lion without disabling these shortcuts, >>> Control-Up Arrow launches Mission Control or takes me out of it, and >>> Control-Down Arrow shows the Desktop. Pressing F10 brings up a screen of >>> application windows. I have to ask whether any VoiceOver users in Lion use >>> these features. It's possible to navigate through the Mission Control >>> Exposéd windows -- unlike Exposé under Leopard and Snow Leopard -- and it's >>> also possible to navigate through all the application windows, but still >>> not really useful to a VO user, I think, compared to using Command-tab. >>> >>> So what happens is that if I don't disable these shortcuts, when I want to >>> quickly navigate to the dock by using Control-Down Arrow or to the first >>> element on the screen with Control-Up Arrow, nothing at all happens, and >>> because VoiceOver on my Mac is toggled off, I can't find out what happens >>> until I press Command-F5, since the "whoosh" sounds that indicate I've been >>> moved to Mission Control of my Desktop don't get played. That's also true >>> for pressing F10 to mute a playing track -- if the shortcut assignment to >>> bring up Application Windows is not unchecked, nothing happens, and on my >>> Mac there are now these Application windows launched. Similarly, if I have >>> started music playing on my iPhone or iPad, pressing F12 only increases my >>> volume if the key assignment to Dashboard is unchecked. So I just uncheck >>> all these boxes in the table of shortcuts for "Mission Control" under my >>> System Preferences > Keyboard window in the Keyboard Shortcuts tab. >>> >>> If you use Command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver on your Mac, you lose the >>> ability to navigate or type on your iOS device. You also won't be able to >>> enter text with the virtual keyboard, as long as the Bluetooth connection >>> with your Mac through an active iKeyboard app is maintained, unless you >>> first press the F5 key to toggle on/off the virtual keyboard. >>> >>> There are a bunch of pre-defined F-key functions that resemble what's >>> available with the iPad Keyboard Dock. You can check these out by putting >>> your "paired" iKeyboard into VoiceOver's keyboard help mode with VO-K. (I >>> mean Control-Option-K, here, in the usual shorthand). I'll paste in the >>> list from the App description, and just note that if you have checked the >>> box on the "Keyboards" tab on the "Keyboard" Menu of System Preferences for >>> "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys", all the F-keys work >>> directly without "FN" prefixes. If you've disabled the Mission Control >>> keyboard shortcut definitions, then all your media function keys will work, >>> too. F2 only affects you if you have multiple input language keyboards. >>> Then, pressing F2 switches you to the next input keyboard, just like >>> pressing Command-space does. Finally, I'll note that just as on the iPad >>> Keyboard Dock, the escape key acts like a "Home" button. That means you >>> can double click it to get to the App Switcher or triple click it to turn >>> VoiceOver on and off. Pretty neat, since that isn't a function of the Apple >>> Wireless Keyboard. Pasted in shortcut list of F-keys follows (without >>> editing to remove the "FN" prefixes). >>> >>> ESC: Home button >>> FN+F1 : Search button >>> FN+F2 : Input method selection >>> FN+F3 : Apple Logo >>> FN+F4 : iPad slide show >>> FN+F5 : Show/hide virtual keyboard >>> FN+F6 : Lock button >>> FN+F7 : Previous song >>> FN+F8 : Play/Stop >>> FN+F9 : Next song >>> FN+F10: Mute >>> FN+F11: Volume down >>> FN+F12: Volume up >>> >>> Finally, I'll just mention that if you switch VoiceOver on again with >>> Command-F5, you're placed in iKeyboard's interface, which is an extended >>> keyboard. If you navigate with your arrow keys you'll find this is a full >>> keyboard layout, with the "Fn" key in a six-pack of controls, and with a >>> separate numeric keypad. The functions of the F-keys in the top row aren't >>> announced. In fact, the set that are normally associated with a laptop >>> keyboard are all announced as "unchecked checkbox", and unless you have >>> hints turned on, you won't hear them as F1, F2, etc. >>> >>> HTH. I've spent more time playing around with Lion than trying these >>> functions out. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Jane wrote: >>> >>>> I read back in December about a couple of apps, iKeyboard and Type2Phone >>>> that let you type to your iPad or iPod or iPhone using the Mac's keyboard >>>> through bluetooth. >>>> >>>> I can't seem to figure out which would be best, and I don't want to spend >>>> money if neither will do what I want. >>>> >>>> I want to be able to type using the keyboard. I also want to be able to >>>> double-tap on buttons and do other bluetooth keyboard shortcuts. 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