Hi All,

Just wanted to clarify that Sarah's speaking about a discovery that was 
discussed on list two years ago -- if you press one of the arrow keys along 
with a key from the top row of numbers on a laptop keyboard, and you have 
NumPad Commander enabled in VoiceOver Utility, then you can generate the same 
NumPad Commander sequence you'd get by pressing the corresponding number key on 
the numeric keypad of a full-size keyboard.  For example, let's say that you 
have NumPad Commander enabled under the "Commanders" menu of VoiceOver Utility 
on the "NumPad" tab, and that pressing the "1" key on the numeric keypad with 
no modifier keys is bound to the command to bring up item chooser menu -- which 
you can also invoke by pressing VO-I.  On a laptop keyboard if you press the 
"1" key from the top row of numbers and one of the arrow keys, you can also 
execute the command to bring up item chooser menu, or whatever VoiceOver 
command  you customized for that key in NumPad Commander.  This only w
 orks to give you the unmodified set of NumPad Commander actions, and you have 
to be careful which arrow key you choose to press. Sarah's using the right 
arrow key, because in some instances pressing the down arrow key can move your 
focus to a different location.

This esoteric way of getting NumPad Commander customized definitions to work 
when using keyboards without a separate NumPad works on both Intel Macs and the 
older PowerPC Macs.  So this is something you can use if you are running 
Leopard on an old Mac laptop.  If you have Snow Leopard or Lion, you may find 
it more convenient to use Keyboard Commander to bind a custom VoiceOver action 
to other keys. And you can add these combinations to your repertory if you want 
to use them on your current Mac  laptop.  It's not a full answer to Dane's 
appreciation for having NumPad Commander on the full keyboard, but explains 
what Sarah meant when she said that actually, she could access NumPad commander 
functions from her Mac laptop keyboard.

The old archived list posts from April 2010 have a discussion thread titled 
"Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without a Numpad"

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 15, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Actually it is. Just hold down the right arrow key and hit the numbers on the 
> number fow. I do this all the time if I need to do something quickly,.
> 
> Take care all.
> On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Glad you can still get the USB keyboard, the "Num Pad Commander" in VO 
>> wouldn't be any use without one <smile>.
>> 
>> 

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