Oopse! Forgot to change accounts, sorry. On 30 Sep 2012, at 18:39, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Missy OK, there are a couple of ways you can have this done. The first is to use a string of text which would sound the way you want it. That, however, may be more problematic. The second is to use fonems which require a bit more figuring out. You can, however, find a full list of fonems in the help documentation. If you think this is worth while, I am sure that the AssistivrWare people would help you. They are very friendly and helpful people. Just contact [email protected] and let them know what it is you're having problems with. If you still cannot get this sorted or if you cannot contact them for some reason, perhaps we could help you. Lynne On 30 Sep 2012, at 18:30, "Missy Hoppe" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi! I'm aware of the tool; have just never had any luck getting it to work. For example, I hate that it says ape or a p p for an application, depending on the voice. No matter what I do, I can't get it to simply say app the way alex does. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:24 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] Helo Missy Did you know that you can modify the pronunciations with the Acapela Group InfoVox voices? Look in your /applications folder and you'll find the tool to do this. Lynne On 30 Sep 2012, at 16:54, "Missy Hoppe" <[email protected]> wrote: I have all of the English speaking acapella voices installed on my mac, and like them a lot, but some of their pronunciation quirks are just too frustrating for daily use with voiceover, and I have never had luck getting their pronunciation editor to work properly, so I just stick with Alex. I do use acapella Tracy as the system voice, though. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:17 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] personally speaking, I prefer the Acapella Group InfoVox voices to anything Apple offers. I personally use those voices all of the time and although they are a little costly, I consider them well worth the money. On 30 Sep 2012, at 13:39, Missy Hoppe <[email protected]> wrote: I Agree. Alex is probably the best TTS voice out there right now. I have other voices installed on my macbook, but always go back to Alex. I wish Apple would develop a female equivelent and do away with the vocalizer stuff altogether, but until that happens, I'll always prefer Alex. It's a shame he can't be used on I-devices; with the processors they have now, I can't believe that isn't possible yet. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:36 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] from my own personal experience, I've found that the Alex voice, seems to have better inflection and is better able to read documents, whether online or otherwise. I have it relatively slow as I do alot of reading and want to take in each bit as I read it. you can even change the intonation which is rather nice, but, the vocaliser voices don't seem to have that functionality. As for Eloquents, I suspect Nuance would like it to simply go away. While on platforms that shall not be named I find it responsive and good for fast reading and the like, it's outdated technology and there's far better out there. Just my thoughts on the matter. On 30/09/2012, at 9:58 PM, "Debbie April Yuille" <[email protected]> wrote: > Try using alex. That voice works great for me. When it changes pitch > you can still understand it quite well. > > I don't think Voice over will ever start using Eloquence as it's not > in development anymore. Maybe the vocalisor pitch problem wil be > corrected in the future. Then Vocaliser will be really good. > > Debbie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of william lomas > Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 10:10 PM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate > Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] > > just wish the HQ voices didn't keep changing pitch. they are unusable > really. not saying ungrateful, just that the web to me seems clunky > when hiding elements for us would make it a smoother experience > > On 30 Sep 2012, at 11:15, Chris <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I am greatful for all this as well. >> >> On 30/09/2012 07:03, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >>>> I whole-heartedly agree with your post Lynne..couldn't have said it > better. >>>> all I have to say is thank you Apple for your commitment to making >>>> your > products accessible to everyone regardless of whether they are > disabled or not. I have been able to visualise things a lot more ever > since I've been using a mac. I know how the screen is laid out just > like any sighted person, unlike with the other screen readers which > constantly use virtualisation. Well basically, a big thank you and all > my gratitude to Apple for making accessibility a right and not > something you should fork out tons of money for. I am grateful for being able > to buy a computer, a phone.. > that is usable right out of the box without the assistance of a > sighted person. I am grateful for being able to buy this equipment at > the same price a sighted person buys it so yes, thank you Apple for all the > hard work. > Nothing is perfect and I am sure things can only improve so let's all > be patient and as Lynne rightly said, report problems to Apple, this > is the only way they will know what problems >> we are >> having. >>>> Never in a million years will I go back to using other screen >>>> readers > and the other platform. >>>> >>>> Take care all, >>>> >>>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >>>> >>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Missy >>>>> >>>>> I think that is a fair and reasonable perspective. I'm certainly >>>>> not > trying to involve anybody in a "My toy's better than yours" debate. > What people do and how they choose to do it is entirely down to their > choice. All I can say in conclusion to this is that this group is here > for all of those people who share a desire and even a passion to see > Apple's products improve. Also those who are keen to use and, in many > cases, learn to use the products. Whatever your skill level and > whatever your application for Apple's products may be, you are very welcome > here. >>>>> >>>>> Lynne >>>>> >>>>> On 29 Sep 2012, at 18:53, "Missy Hoppe" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> . Very well said! I'll be the first to admit that I don't take >>>>> full > advantage of all the tips and tricks that could make web >>>>> browsing easier, but I don't blaim apple or other screen reader > developers. It's entirely my fault if I'm too lazy or >>>>> stubborn to take the time to learn how to use web browsers >>>>> properly. It > always frustrates me when I see any product being >>>>> bashed for seemingly no good reason. True, there are things I > personally don't use, but I'm willing to respect others' rights >>>>> or desire to use such products. I don't know if this is making any > sense or not, but in a nut shell, all I'm trying to say is >>>>> that I agree with you 100%. 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