Delighted to hear that, it's a super summary. On 30 Nov 2012, at 10:46, Chris Moore <moor...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Yup, > > Have done, and went into more detail fore them. I have also sent it via > iTunes Feedback too. > > So maybe we'll see an improvement in version 12! > > Chris > On 30 Nov 2012, at 10:44, Dónal Fitzpatrick <dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie> wrote: > >> Morning Chris, >> >> A superb summary. Have you ever thought of passing this very information on >> to Apple via the accessibility team? It would probably be ignored but worth >> it nonetheless in my view. >> >> Dónal >> On 30 Nov 2012, at 09:38, Chris Moore <moor...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it >>> comes to accessibility. However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover >>> support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet). >>> >>> The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is >>> a play button and a next button. So we have a rewind and a next button, so >>> some people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward >>> button. So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as >>> "previous/rewind button and a next/forward button. >>> >>> The next item which puzzles me is the "iCloud button", what does this >>> actually do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is >>> on or off or if anything has happened when it is pressed. >>> >>> My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read >>> out as "Radio radio button 7 of 7". Hearing the words Radio radio button >>> is not exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and >>> not web page style radio buttons. So would it not be better if Voiceover >>> read out these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as >>> "Radio tab 7 of 7". Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio >>> buttons with tabs would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when >>> it comes to navigating with a screen reader. >>> >>> Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive >>> if the button was read out as "Go to iTunes Store button" Then when you >>> are in the iTunes Store, the button is read out as "Go back to Library >>> button", instead of "Library menu button". Calling this a menu button >>> gives the impression a menu is about to appear if you press it. >>> >>> After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for >>> the store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover >>> describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, >>> Music menu button, Films menu button etc. Would it not be better to have >>> these menu buttons labelled as tabs? >>> >>> I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for >>> screen reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web >>> accessibility guidelines when it comes to heading structure. For example >>> there are heading 3 items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2. >>> It breaks accessibility when heading levels are skipped. >>> >>> The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either. >>> >>> The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence: >>> >>> Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading >>> 1 prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home") >>> >>> Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) >>> >>> TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) >>> >>> Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) >>> >>> Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or >>> under Feature?) >>> >>> Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) >>> >>> Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? >>> >>> Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?) >>> >>> Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and >>> the see all link appears to have gone) >>> >>> Heading 3 Top Albums ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and >>> the see all link appears to have gone) >>> >>> Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has >>> gone) >>> >>> Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should >>> it not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone) >>> >>> Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under >>> Apps?) >>> >>> Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?) >>> >>> Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading under >>> Books?) >>> >>> The above is just a few examples, if you work your way through the iTunes >>> store, you will find many other. 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