David - thank you so much for this explanation, most helpful. The course tutor said no computer could play the course material, clearly excluding things like Windows Media Player, and iTunes; she said a dedicated DTB player would be required. I don't want to have to buy another piece of kit if I can get some software to run on my Mac that she is unaware of. I'll have to get back to her as I'm still unclear what to do -
Andy On 23 May 2014, at 15:05, "David Griffith" <d.griff...@btinternet.com> wrote: > This is not entirely straightforward. > There are several sorts of Daisy Files. > > 1. The vast majority are Daisy Book Audio books. > These are folders of audio files, nearly always mp3 files, which contain > additional files to assist navigation through these mp3 files. All of the > content of these Daisy Books can also be accessed by a simple media player. > In fact since January this year all RNIB Daisy Books are now structured so > that they can be played on a standard mp3 player in order to avoid the need > for people to purchase expensive bespoke daisy players. The RNIB no longer > provide these players for their library users though people can still > purchase them privately if they wish. > 2. Daisy Books with Text and audio. > These are comparatively rarer but some Daisy Books have information > structured , where you can access not only the audio but the text of the > book. This is normally synchronised on a paragraph level. In these books you > can switch from recorded audio to text output or can have the text displayed > on screen at the same time. This can be useful in study purposes if for > example you need to check the spelling of a name or concept. If you are > trying to get this functionality I suspect that you would need to purchase > Read Here on a Mac Platform or use the latest Free FS Reader from Jaws on a > Fusion Window. Physical daisy book readers like the Victor Stream and Pocket > Plextalk will also be able to access both the recorded audio and text > content of these book. > 3. Text only Daisy Books > These are daisy books with no recorded audio which rely on a speech > synthesiser to get access to the contents. Again you are likely to need to > use Read Here or FS Reader under Fusion or a physical daisy book reader. > > To further complicate matters the Books with Text and audio or text only > can also have their content encrypted, but this is rare in my experience. > If content is encrypted will need a reader with support for encrypted > reading to access these books through a submission of a key. If books are > encrypted you need to check with the vendor which application platform can > access the necessary key information. > > Anyway as long as the book is provided in audio only format then yes > normally a straightforward media player can play the contents. > > David Griffith > > .. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins > Sent: 23 May 2014 14:40 > To: OS X & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Olearia Daisy Book Reader > > David - Firstly, thanks for making your version of Olearia available to me. > > Secondly, from what you also said, I have another question: Do all DAISY > titles as well as having smil files, come with an equivalent mp3 file? My > situation is that I will need to access some course material in DAISY > format, and the college have told me that I will need a machine capable of > playing DAISY files, and that computers will not be capable of this, hence > my search for DAISY playing software; but, if the course material also has > MP3 files with the download, or on the memory stick, depending how they are > made available to me, then like you say, I could just use something like > iTuens to play them. > > Can this be clarified for me, as I don't want to sign up for the course > until I know I have the required software to access the material - > > Andy > On 23 May 2014, at 12:33, David Griffith <d.griff...@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Ok here is a copy of my version of the app zipped up into a file and >> uploaded to Sendspace on >> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/uq8c43 >> >> As it is open source and freeware I hope that I have not infringed > anything >> doing this. >> I am not sure technically whether the app will retain aspects of my system >> which may make it not suitable for use on other machines. >> >> A few notes about the app. >> Whilst it works perfectly well on my iMac it is undeniably a basic Daisy >> Reader. >> It does not include, for example, the ability to accelerate playback > though >> you can fast forward as normal. >> Basically open your books with control O >> Pressing space on play will play the book. Pressing space again will pause >> playback. Pressing right or left arrow will navigate through the book at > the >> selected level. >> Command left and right arrow provide rewind and fast forward. Apart from >> selecting the level of navigation that is pretty much it. Arguably you > would >> be just as well off using an mp3 player to access the Daisy book mp3 >> contents. >> >> In fact if you really need accelerated playback I think it is probably >> easiest to use the free VLC media player and open the daisy book folder > and >> play the mp3 content through VLC. The advantage of VLC is that it does >> allow you to accelerate the speed of playback. There will be no ability >> to interpret Daisy level navigation within VLC though. >> >> However you can use VLC to save a playlist of the mp3 contents in the >> folder so if the mp3 files are reasonably structured this will provide a >> basic level navigation . >> >> David Griffith >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith >> Sent: 22 May 2014 19:47 >> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility' >> Subject: RE: Olearia Daisy Book Reader >> >> >> I don't know if this is technically advisable or possible but I could >> dropbox my version of the app to you to see if that works any better. >> >> Presumably as it is open source and freeware this would be valid but I am >> not sure technically if just passing the app along would work properly or >> whether it has to be in a dmg file opened on your system first. I do not >> have the original dmg I am afraid.. >> >> David Griffith >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins >> Sent: 22 May 2014 19:20 >> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Olearia Daisy Book Reader >> >> Hi Esther - >> >> Very helpful, thank you, I was clearly downloading from the wrong place, > but >> it was the only hit Google was finding for me. Anyway, got the beta now, >> and it works, or after a fashion. I am finding that a book will play >> continuously on first opening the app and hitting play, but if I try using >> some of the buttons to forward and rewind, when I then press play, the > book >> only plays for a second, and then pauses again, and I have to close and >> reopen the app to make it play ok again - >> >> Andy >> On 22 May 2014, at 18:10, Esther <mori...@mac-access.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Andy, >>> >>> I think you can also download Olearia using the public beta link from >> Curtin University: >>> http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia/ >>> This comes as a zip file. The code,google.com location lets you get the >> source code if you want to compile it from scratch for yourself. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> Esther >>> >>> >>> On May 22, 2014, at 6:31 AM, Andy Collins wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David and all - >>>> >>>> David, I downloaded Olearia again just now, from code.google.com; even >> though it said it was a zipped download, when I looked for Olearia in my >> downloads folder, it was just there as an application, so I pasted it in > to >> my applications folder, and opened it. I firstly got the message that > Safari >> downloaded the app from code.google.com, and was asked if I wanted to open >> it, so clicked on yes. The first window that comes up asks if I want > Olearia >> to automatically check for updates, and regardless of if I click yes or > no, >> I keep getting the message: >>>> >>>> application alert system dialog Olearia quit unexpectedly. >>>> >>>> I can't get past this issue, so can't even test the app. >>>> >>>> I don't understand why I don't get a dmg download, obviously if I did, >> then I would follow your guidance for installing the app. >>>> >>>> Any more ideas? - >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access@mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> >>> >>> As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure >> that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and >> worm-free. 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