Your e-mails have bulk in the subject line, not sure why this is, maybe mine does to you too or maybe the Mods can tell us what is going on. I know on another list I am on, they were encouraging us to have Gmail accounts to get rid of this issue of bulk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" <[email protected]>
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


I don't want to spend too much time going tit for tat on this subject.
Many blind people I know in fact embrace change.
The assumption that the problem is not embracing change is perhaps misguided. My experience, has been from people I know, and customers of the blind agency where I work, that have been extremely frustrated as they have lost the ability to utilize a tool they have become very familiar and reliance upon. So the frustration, is waiting for the bugs to be fixed so that people can perform the normal functions they are used to. I think Apple released this upgrade to soon, to match the release of their eye six.
It's  just my thoughts.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Shaun Oliver <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm unsure where you get the impression that IOS8 is unuseable.

It's perfectly useable and relyable. I know blind people are afraid of change, but doggedly hanging onto software just because of the fear of your device being rendered useless, based upon the say so of a minority, is the folly. Yes, I've found and reported some bugs. Yes, There's some annoyances, and yes, there might be one or two things that don't work. But, please, don't become like the masses out there. The masses that seem to be a generation of users whereby we have smart phones and dumb operators. You do yourself and us, a great disservice.



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 04:46
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I am not going to upgrade to I OS 8 until there is some reliance upon usability. I don't believe there's any folly, in wanting to actually use the iPhone you have become reliant upon. The folly, is that somehow upgrading to an in adequate upgrade, is better so all others will be better off because Apple customer service will hear from more people about what doesn't work. For those that are brave enough, to express to Apple what doesn't work on their phones anymore….Go for it. Much thanks.


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On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke <[email protected]> wrote:

Well my niece who is sighted said the upgrade really messed up her iPad.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn" <[email protected]>
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release
from 6x to 7, that there was a security breakage.
Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older version.
These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS.
I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and
rushed things too much.
Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the
adaptive software we need to even use the device.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Smith"
<[email protected]>
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us
at all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting
things fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple
may concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
Everyone to their own I guess.



-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot
concerned with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who
believe they know better than they who've coded the operating system
we're discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might
add, Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that
were found in the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been
addressed, to a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so
as to maintain useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and
utter folly. To suggest you have no issues with security in a previous
revision of IOS is again folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or
open up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do
than annoy the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Timothy J.
Meloy
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been
widely talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
TJ


On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar <[email protected]> wrote:

Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I
would
encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone,
I definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.



Sent from my iPad

On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn <[email protected]> wrote:

I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <[email protected]>
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been
ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are
reason enough to upgrade.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and
some work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that
apple stopped code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a
possibility anymore if you find somethign brakes.

At the same time how ever  the more of us that report bugs the more
apple might consider a fix for us.
On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Anna <[email protected]> wrote:

From the update info list given during update there were no
accessibilty
bug fixes listed, mainly cellular connectivity fixes.

I would wait.

Anna

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Matthew Chao <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi, Folks.  I have an iPhone 5 running the latest version of iOS7.
I've
heard that 8.0.0 had problems regarding the Bluetooth keyboards
working with VoiceOver.  Has this been fixed in iOS8.0.2?  Also, what
about the sticking phone touch tone key?  Thanks in advance for info.

Matthew Chao

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